Speculation: Canes roster building thread

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I'd take RNH on this team in a heartbeat, but I think Friedman is right. If EDM came calling, Francis would ask for more.

In the end, I don't see Faulk going anywhere until the Canes know what they have in these other guys, for more than 1 season.

 

[raynman]

Whenever the Oilers and Canes play Tripp always seems to talk about the RNH/Brindy connection.

 

[Roboturner913]

If Faulk is only a second-pair RHD, and there's a ton of guys like him, and he's so shaky, and his contract isn't all that great, then WHY THE HELL ARE YOU PEOPLE CONSTANTLY BEGGING US TO GIVE HIM TO YOU????

I would take RNH all day, every day, if they added the right secondary piece or pieces, but this is laughable and stupid.

 

[DaveG]

Nice to have some people around that have some ****ing common sense like Friedman every once in a while.

 

[TheOllieC]

Button was on the Jason Gregor show and ranked these dmen as follows.

1. Vatanen
2. Faulk
3. Barrie

lol

 

[Caniac125330]

Bishop just went down in Pitt-TB game, looked like not short term IMO. Hopefully Vasilevsky tears it up an an expansion draft is announced, making Big Bish available. Honestly I agree adding 2-3 40-45 point guys at forward is what we need, and should make our big move in net. Bishop is just so good, if we can get him I think the high price is worth it. Seriously, if the defense doesn't regress, you're not ****ing scoring on this team with Bishop in net.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Seems like Bishop continually getting hurt would be something to worry about. Obviously he's managed to play a lot, but I think this would be the third straight postseason he's been injured. Seems like that would add up.

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

Button was on the Jason Gregor show and ranked these dmen as follows.

1. Vatanen
2. Faulk
3. Barrie

lol

[chrisgriffin]how does kevin costner craig button keep getting work?[/chrisgriffin]

 

[bleedgreen]

Didn't Peters himself say Faulk wasn't yet a top pair guy? We play him that way so the argument is moot and not really worth all the emotion. Despite Faulk's attributes he also has some flaws. Aside from fans of other teams who want him in trades and are using it to lower his value (which is what everyone on the boards does to every other teams players), I don't see the problem with people having a point of view like that. He's an all star, he puts up a lot of points for us, we love him. That should be enough.

 

[Roboturner913]

If Peters says he isn't "yet" there, I have to believe that is more a motivational tactic than anything.

If you look around the league it is really, really, really hard to find a team where he wouldn't be at least the #2. I count 2 (Chicago and SJ) with maybe a couple more that are very debatable.

But even that is a far cry from saying he is "just a 2nd pair, PP specialist", I mean, come on. Even Oilers fans are calling Stauffer names and saying his stance is indefensible.

The thing is, I think these "media" types (and I hesitate to call it "media" so much as glorified blogging, and irresponsible blogging at that) actually think that by spreading these rumors they can really make something happen.

I guess you have to fill airtime somehow but I think if I had to do that for a living I'd make it about a year before I threw myself off the nearest tall building.

 

[bleedgreen]

Even if it was a motivational tool doesn't mean he didn't mean it as a fact. If he didn't believe it, it would be rude for him to say - undervaluing his own player. Peters ain't that guy. Button has his job for a reason, used to be a director of scouting as well as GM. I think his opinion has merit even there is some perceived slight by our fans about Faulk. Not to mention to do what he does he obviously has a ton of connections in the hockey world from scouts to GM's. I highly doubt he's coming from left field with his opinions. There's some GM's and scouts that would call Faulk a one, and there's some that wouldn't. They're professionals. You can't dismiss the parts you don't want to hear.

Button has been respectiful to the canes over the years. No reason to clown him.

 

[TheOllieC]

Button has some good opinions and some bad opinions, just like pretty much everyone.

Nothing wrong with taking jabs at his bad ones, just as I would with pretty much everyone.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Button is known for having opinions drastically not in sync with the rest of the hockey world. An easy example being the only guy who didn't have Hanifin in the top 5- and had outside the top 10 to boot- in the 2015 draft.

That said, it does no good to be so insecure to automatically reject opinions that don't jive with your own.

 

[Roboturner913]

Don't think anybody's "automatically" rejecting it; I mean I literally went and looked up the depth charts for every team. Found a couple teams (Chicago - Keith and Seabrook; SJ - Burns and Vlasic) where Faulk would likely not be a first-pair, and a few more (Nashville, LA, NYI, maybe Washington) where you could make an argument to varying degrees.

To me, if he's clearly a "second-pair" guy you could find a number of teams where he's only the third-best d-man on the roster. I could only find two clear-cut ones.

If you are talking some nebulous notion of what the ideal first-pair d-man looks like in Craig Button's head and Faulk doesn't happen to fit into that box, that's his opinion to have - but it's one that's not really based on the reality of what NHL rosters look like ATM.

 

[DaveG]

Don't think anybody's "automatically" rejecting it; I mean I literally went and looked up the depth charts for every team. Found a couple teams (Chicago - Keith and Seabrook; SJ - Burns and Vlasic) where Faulk would likely not be a first-pair, and a few more (Nashville, LA, NYI, maybe Washington) where you could make an argument to varying degrees.

To me, if he's clearly a "second-pair" guy you could find a number of teams where he's only the third-best d-man on the roster. I could only find two clear-cut ones.

If you are talking some nebulous notion of what the ideal first-pair d-man looks like in Craig Button's head and Faulk doesn't happen to fit into that box, that's his opinion to have - but it's one that's not really based on the reality of what NHL rosters look like ATM.

I wouldn't put Washington as a "maybe",Faulk vs Carlsson (who's easily their best guy IMHO) is basically a tossup, and I would take Faulk over any of Hamonic, Boychuk, or Leddy on the Isles.

More to the point, there's far more teams where Faulk would be the clear cut #1 then teams where he would be a 2nd pairing guy.

just off the top of my head: Edmonton, Vancouver, Winnipeg, Buffalo, Columbus, Toronto, Detroit, New Jersey where the answer is "definitely" and a few more where the answer is at least "probably" in Boston, Rangers, Colorado, Islanders, Philly, Dallas (for now on the last 2 at least)

 

[Roboturner913]

I wouldn't put Washington as a "maybe",Faulk vs Carlsson (who's easily their best guy IMHO) is basically a tossup, and I would take Faulk over any of Hamonic, Boychuk, or Leddy on the Isles.

More to the point, there's far more teams where Faulk would be the clear cut #1 then teams where he would be a 2nd pairing guy.

just off the top of my head: Edmonton, Vancouver, Winnipeg, Buffalo, Columbus, Toronto, Detroit, New Jersey where the answer is "definitely" and a few more where the answer is at least "probably" in Boston, Rangers, Colorado, Islanders, Philly, Dallas (for now on the last 2 at least)

yeah, I was stretching it for argument's sake.

 

[The Stranger]

Didn't Peters himself say Faulk wasn't yet a top pair guy? We play him that way so the argument is moot and not really worth all the emotion. Despite Faulk's attributes he also has some flaws. Aside from fans of other teams who want him in trades and are using it to lower his value (which is what everyone on the boards does to every other teams players), I don't see the problem with people having a point of view like that. He's an all star, he puts up a lot of points for us, we love him. That should be enough.

I don't recall Peters saying this. He did say Faulk has room for improvement in his game (specifics in link below)...but then he also said Faulk would be in the Norris conversation for years to come.

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/the-carolina-hurricanes-are-better-than-anybody-expected

 

[bleedgreen]

To me it comes down to whether or not we have to let go of the more traditional definition of a "number one" due to either a dearth of such types or expansion. Or both I suppose. If we're changing that definition to being the number one guy on a team than of course Faulk even to me is an easy fit. Or maybe just because there's so many teams the line should be lowered a bit. I'm not against that concept I guess I'm just used to calling it more traditionally.

Truth is, in three years Faulk could be the second or third best dman we have. It's a good problem but it makes me question how high up this list he should be. As I've said before I just think he's a very good dman, not elite and not what I would consider a true number one. He's good enough to lead us no doubt.

 

[bleedgreen]

I don't recall Peters saying this. He did say Faulk has room for improvement in his game (specifics in link below)...but then he also said Faulk would be in the Norris conversation for years to come.

https://sports.vice.com/en_us/article/the-carolina-hurricanes-are-better-than-anybody-expected

That's not the article where he says it. It exists, and we all talked about it at the time. He flat out said he doesn't think Faulk is a number one at this point. Many referred to it as a motivational tool at the time, and I get that but just feel that's wishful thinking from folks that want to argue on the main board about his status.

Anyways, he said it. Sorry I can't prove it but I'm drunk at Odell's brewery here and just too happy to fuss over it! Hope y'all are having a good one.

 

[geehaad]

Whether or not a player is a #1 defenseman *must* mean that he is, in at least a general sense, a top-30 defenseman today. If most roads lead you to the ranking of "top 30", then it doesn't matter what your definition of what is and what is not a #1 defenseman. It's a numbers thing within the qualities of the current NHL defensemen...simple as that.

This ideals of what makes a #1 defenseman throughout the history of NHL defensemen (as well as the qualities that exclude players from that label) are worthless as comparatives.

 

[Roboturner913]

That's not the article where he says it. It exists, and we all talked about it at the time. He flat out said he doesn't think Faulk is a number one at this point. Many referred to it as a motivational tool at the time, and I get that but just feel that's wishful thinking from folks that want to argue on the main board about his status.

Anyways, he said it. Sorry I can't prove it but I'm drunk at Odell's brewery here and just too happy to fuss over it! Hope y'all are having a good one.

I thought we were talking about him not being a first-pair guy, not in terms of not being a No. 1.

If your ideal of a No. 1 is Lidstrom or Pronger that is crazy good on both ends of the ice and excels at everything, all the time, then yeah, he's not that. But that player doesn't really exist in the NHL right now, either.

If your ideal of a #1 is, what does a #1 D in the context of the NHL right now typically look like, and how good are those players, I'd say Faulk fits very neatly into that group.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

HFBoards. You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and pedantry.

 

[TheOllieC]

Do you think John Carlson, Ryan McDonagh, Kris Letang, Kevin Shattenkirk, Shea Weber are #1 defensemen? If so then congrats, because by default you also think Justin Faulk is a #1 defenseman.

 

[bleedgreen]

Well aside from shattenkitty and maybe Carlson, I would take any of the others. I don't feel like that's a sin to say?

 

[Ole Gil]

Well aside from shattenkitty and maybe Carlson, I would take any of the others. I don't feel like that's a sin to say?

I'm with you Bleed, in thinking Faulk is getting a bit overrated here. The flukey powerplay run to start the season inflated his worth a bit.