Speculation: Canes roster building thread 2016/17

[NotOpie]

I think Gauthier gets an extended look.

For the fun of it:

Aho - TT - Gauthier line would be interesting, Aho feeding the beast would be fun to watch.

Probably more of an Aho/Lindholm/Gauthier line....I think Teuvo plays with Skinner and Rask, off of the top of my head.

 

[tarheelhockey]

What about Joe Colborne? I know he's not a world beater, but he has improved pretty steadily. Age 26, should have his best years immediately ahead of him and at a reasonably low price. Seems like a possible economy-value move.

 

[jeromeo87]

What about Joe Colborne? I know he's not a world beater, but he has improved pretty steadily. Age 26, should have his best years immediately ahead of him and at a reasonably low price. Seems like a possible economy-value move.

I hope the Canes get someone who can at least be serviceable in the top 6. That's definitely not Colborne. I wouldn't mind Colborne AND a top 6er.

 

[Roboturner913]

I mentioned him last night when the news came out that Calgary wasn't re-upping him with basically that exact same thought - he's 26 and coming into his peak. Maybe he doesn't duplicated what he did last year stats-wise, but it's not too often you get a buy-low chance on a guy coming into his prime who just had a career season.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I hope the Canes get someone who can at least be serviceable in the top 6. That's definitely not Colborne. I wouldn't mind Colborne AND a top 6er.

Yeah I would definitely want him to be in addition to a big-splash forward, not replacing one. Colborne just seems like a guy we could pick up as, for example, a Gerbe replacement.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Why do you guys think Colborne is going to be a "buy low" scenario? He wasn't qualified so unless Calgary and Colborne come to a deal by 7/1, he's going to be a UFA and can go to the highest bidder. I'm fairly certain that if he could have been signed for a couple million/season, he'd already be signed. The reason Calgary didn't want to go to arbitration, is that if (more likely when based on his scoring this year) an arbitrator awarded him $3.5M+, they'd be obligated to take it and couldn't walk away.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

So you only consider the worth of a player based on one year's performance?

I consider the worth of a player based off their most recent performance. You know, the one that gives the best indication of how they'll perform this upcoming year.

He had 33 points in 63 games with the Canes last year, playing top line minutes and ample PP time. Staal did nothing last year that would be worth bringing him back, let alone at almost $5 million. Add multiple years to that, and I'm baffled.

For the good of the organization, they need to move on. The last thing they want is their young players exposed long-term to Staal's "leadership."

 

[Breakdowns]

Speaking of new players, your thoughts on Rick Nash trade?

 

[geehaad]

He had 33 points in 63 games with the Canes last year, playing top line minutes and ample PP time. Staal did nothing last year that would be worth bringing him back, let alone at almost $5 million. Add multiple years to that, and I'm baffled

Yep, I don't want him back for the cost of a sought-after UFA, either. My point was to draw a comparative to Okposo, only. Save for last year, they really are quite comparable.

 

[garnetpalmetto]

Just spitballing here, but what about Devante Smith-Pelly? The Devils didn't qualify him and I know he came in with solid Top 6 potential and had a rough run with the Habs before catching fire after getting traded to New Jersey. Some sort of short-term contract maybe? He seems like a reclamation project that could reap rewards and be a low-cost option. He just seems like your classic Canes off-season signing to me.

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

I would take a flyer on Smith-Pelly

 

[Moosetache]

For the record in case anyone cared:

I'm for Colborne over Staal

Would love Okposo and think he's a great fit.

Smith-Pelley I thought had great potential at one point, not sure what happened. I'm not against it, but it can't be the only thing.

I'm ok with Rick Nash too, especially if it doesn't cost a ton. And we are only on the hook for one season (I believe).

 

[geehaad]

Which UFAs have had over a half-point per game average that could be signed for no more than $5M and no more than 2 years term?

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

Which UFAs have had over a half-point per game average that could be signed for no more than $5M and no more than 2 years term?

the pessimism is strong w/ this one....

 

[NotOpie]

Just spitballing here, but what about Devante Smith-Pelly? The Devils didn't qualify him and I know he came in with solid Top 6 potential and had a rough run with the Habs before catching fire after getting traded to New Jersey. Some sort of short-term contract maybe? He seems like a reclamation project that could reap rewards and be a low-cost option. He just seems like your classic Canes off-season signing to me.

My sense is that we need somebody who can almost assuredly put up 40-50 points. I can't say that I trust Smith-Pelly to do that. While nobody is a guarantee past performance is an indicator. Plus that fits in this team's financial wheelhouse.

If we can't get that then I'd rather take a flyer on a Checker as a 4th liner and run with what we've got.

 

[FlyingSquirrels]

Brendan Woods would be a more than adequate 4th liner. He's got the size and wheels to actually be quite effective.

 

[kelsier]

Had mixed feelings about the TT trade at first. But it seemed they weren't going to give him the big minutes and a role that he needed. Quite simply because playing TT in the middle of other two small players (Panarin & Kane) was risky. I'm sure Carolina will give him every chance to succeed along with quality wing men. Guess it's needless to mention adding in Aho and Saarela will make things even more interesting to follow. I'll definitely be cheering for you guys also next season. I'm expecting to see two out of the three in the line up. Teräväinen had amazing skill and I'll never forget that he pretty much single handedly lead team Finland to WJC gold a few years ago. His performance then is comparable to what Laine, Puljujärvi and Aho managed to do this season, if not even better, considering the lack of the depth and poor overall team.

 

[w e l o s t b o y s]

he tweeted some other stuff, mostly about not pursuing Staal, also said Dadonov's price is too high

 

[tarheelhockey]

he tweeted some other stuff, mostly about not pursuing Staal

He came right out and said we are not talking to Staal, per Staal's agent Rick Curran. Looks like we can put an end to speculation that he might come back.

 

[GoldiFox]

Francis said what most people are using as their argument to cut ties completely, even if he could be signed at league minimum. The Canes are moving in a different direction and Eric can't/won't be the Star, centerpiece, leader, etc.. Any role he would come back in would conflict with the perception of what he is to most casual fans. It creates an awkward situation for everybody. Reasonable stance, I really doubt Eric returns given how black and white Francis made it.

 

[geehaad]

Francis said what most people are using as their argument to cut ties completely, even if he could be signed at league minimum.

(since this idea is fantasy-land, I wouldn't normally bother to argue it, but since there were anything going on right now...)

I would posit that Francis would find a way to sell a resigning of Eric Staal to the fans if it were for league minimum. Regardless of baggage, a 33-point forward with the potential for more is worth league minimum. Plus, there's the fact that some people actually really like Eric Staal...

Within 24 hours, you've said that you'd give Okposo a 6-year contract for anywhere from $7M to $8M per year, and would not give Staal a contract for league minimum, presumably for any term. I just cannot reconcile those two thoughts.

 

[GoldiFox]

(since this idea is fantasy-land, I wouldn't normally bother to argue it, but since there were anything going on right now...)

I would posit that Francis would find a way to sell a resigning of Eric Staal to the fans if it were for league minimum. Regardless of baggage, a 33-point forward with the potential for more is worth league minimum. Plus, there's the fact that some people actually really like Eric Staal...

Within 24 hours, you've said that you'd give Okposo a 6-year contract for anywhere from $7M to $8M per year, and would not give Staal a contract for league minimum, presumably for any term. I just cannot reconcile those two thoughts.

I said that I would sign Eric Staal to his reported asking price of 4 years x $4.5 million if he was the biggest fish that they could get. I was on the other side of that debate, just reading into Francis's comments. The minimum salary comment is a hyperbole to make the point clear, that this isn't about money or term, it is more about his role on the team. Obviously Staal is getting more than minimum salary from somebody.

I'm happy to pay Okposo $7 million per if it is the only way to get him to Raleigh. As I said... Right player, right playstyle, right position, right price (Free as UFA), and right timing.

 

[FreshSeabass]

wait are we seriously saying okposo is worth more than foresberg money wise. Never scored 30 goals two 60+ point seasons which i think are fairly inflated because of tavares. Anything over 6mil i pass all day on okposo. Nice guy im sure hes a great player but he is due for an overpayment from some team and it doesnt need to be the canes.

 

[Novacane]

UFA vs RFA

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

he tweeted some other stuff, mostly about not pursuing Staal, also said Dadonov's price is too high

I like it. I like how the team is coming together, but we definitely could use a 50 point winger.