GDT: Canes Gone Wild

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Only watched the first...I’m not sure I’ve seen as talented of a team as MIN working so hard in a game, all season. They were flat-out flying to pucks last night. And it wasn’t like the Hurricanes weren’t giving effort, it’s just that they were overwhelmed by MIN’s effort.
 

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Bleed, you keep pointing to single good seasons players have had under Peters. It could be they had those seasons in spite of Peters and his system. He certainly hasn't shown the ability to get great seasons out of most of the players consistently.
 

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Watching last night you can really see the difference between a defensive group that looks great on paper (skill, pedigree, size) and a defensive group that has the experience to back up that skill. Canes are looking at waiting 2-3 years before guys like Hanifin, Fleury, and TVR play with any level of consistency. Same goes on a lesser level with Slavin-Pesce.

Losing Hainsey and elevating Hanifin with this group was a disaster. Meanwhile Morgan Rielly is having a career year while stapled to Hainsey. Faulk needs that anchor to operate and Hanifin needs to stick to sheltered 3rd pair minutes. Otherwise they need to deal Faulk and acquire an experience top-4, two-way D. The team can only afford to have one major defensive liability logging heavy D minutes.
 

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I'm over Hanifin. I was so psyched that we were able to draft him and he may put it all together but I'm afraid we've screwed the pooch with him and Lindholm both and if they reach their potential it won't be in Canes jerseys. They weren't ready but we had no other option and now they know nothing but failure at this level. If we can trade him to a western team so he doesn't come back to stomp us but twice a year I'd be all over it
 

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I'm over Hanifin. I was so psyched that we were able to draft him and he may put it all together but I'm afraid we've screwed the pooch with him and Lindholm both and if they reach their potential it won't be in Canes jerseys. They weren't ready but we had no other option and now they know nothing but failure at this level. If we can trade him to a western team so he doesn't come back to stomp us but twice a year I'd be all over it

I asked Francis about Hanifin before the Founders Dinner. He said that Defensemen take longer to develop and that Hanifin will be a really good player at 24 years old.

I don’t disagree, 500 games of NHL experience by 24 is a great way to refine a defensive game. The only issue with that is he is a UFA at 25. Would be really frustrating to watch Hanifin blossom into a stud #1 by 24 and then see him leave to join Boston or Minnesota the next year.
 
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tarheelhockey

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Bleed, you keep pointing to single good seasons players have had under Peters. It could be they had those seasons in spite of Peters and his system. He certainly hasn't shown the ability to get great seasons out of most of the players consistently.

Is a player really that great to begin with, if you have to have this conversation about him?

We haven’t had a franchise player in a long time. Eric Staal was that player a decade ago, but not during his last few years here. Skinner isn’t one, Aho isn’t, Slavin isnt, Faulk and Jordan Staal sure as hell aren’t. Good players but not great. They’d be the 3rd, 4th best talents on a stacked team.

If we want to see players have consistently great seasons, it starts with acquiring actual great players and not “the closest thing we have”.

Watching last night you can really see the difference between a defensive group that looks great on paper (skill, pedigree, size) and a defensive group that has the experience to back up that skill. Canes are looking at waiting 2-3 years before guys like Hanifin, Fleury, and TVR play with any level of consistency. Same goes on a lesser level with Slavin-Pesce.

This is a good point and reason enough to step back from the ledge with respect to Faulk and Hanifin. Top defensemen aren’t born, they’re developed. Our guys are going to be the most seasoned and cohesive group in the league by the time they reach their late-20s prime, if we keep them together. Right now it’s growing pains.
 

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Our guys are going to be the most seasoned and cohesive group in the league by the time they reach their late-20s prime, if we keep them together. Right now it’s growing pains.

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The odds of a coin landing on the same side after 10 flips is 0.09765625%

Theoretically, in a system where any team can beat any other on any given night, and more than half the teams in that system make the playoffs by the end of the year, we can say that any team has a better than a coin-flip chance to make the playoffs on any given year. Again, theoretically.

So this team is on their way to beating the odds of lower than 0.09765625%

 

RodTheBawd

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And **** Eric Staal where he breathes. How dare he mail it in here making $9Mill a year and then go somewhere else for a fraction of the price and play every game like its game 7. I'll bet Wild fans don't get tired of staring at his motionless legs as he glides back to the bench on each shift change.

I've tried to not have this mentality, rationalizing what happened here with him, making excuses as much as I could... but really, f*** him. I don't give a shit what level of talent he had around him, it's all on him. It's blatantly obvious he's put in way more effort before and during the season in Minnesota than he did in his final years here and I can't help but be pissed at him.
 

Stickpucker

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Yeah he’d have looked like ass between Aho and TT.....

Peters legit said he didn’t think he was a center anymore. He’s going to score 40 as a center for a playoff team. So when Bill ****ing Peters wants to give advice on the quality of a player or his usage just remember that little nugget.

Quoted for truth.

Staal obviously didn't have the great qualities that Derek Ryan does Bill uses to evaluate a quality NHL center.

Makes me feel bad for Lindy.
 

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Beyond that, even when he got to a playoff team he did nothing of note but took up a stall in the dressing room. It took him essentially getting a "show me" contract below his expected salary to light a fire under his pampered ass. I'm glad to see it did, but Staal's apathy was written all over his ace when he'd lackadaisically skate back to the bench after a lazy penalty or a bad power play. He might slam his stick or kill a rat, but that apathetic Staal face was one that I got way too used to seeing last year.

Eric is a Russian boy in a Canadian skin suit.
 

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I've tried to not have this mentality, rationalizing what happened here with him, making excuses as much as I could... but really, **** him. I don't give a **** what level of talent he had around him, it's all on him. It's blatantly obvious he's put in way more effort before and during the season in Minnesota than he did in his final years here and I can't help but be pissed at him.

That's what I'm talking about!
 

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