Calgary Flames 2014 Draft Thread Part 1

Ace Rimmer · Mar 10, 2014

KGL said:
I wouldn't make that deal to trade down and based on the FC and ISS rankings this month Ritchie and Fleury would be off the board. Ho-Sang would also be off the board at 35th. Also Demko will be a 1st rounder or high 2nd. Love Mantha

ISS haven't ever been close to reality as proven by others, but I can't comment on the overall reliability / accuracy of FC (assuming this is Future Considerations)

Other places you may want to look:

http://www.hockeyprospect.com/
http://prospects.dobbersports.com/
http://www.mckeenshockey.com/
http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649 (Craig's List, March update)
http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=9593 (MacKenzie's Rankings, January Update)
http://www.thehockeynews.com/
http://insider.espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/10333303/ranking-top-50-prospects-2014-nhl-draft
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=699869 (Central Scouting NA Skaters)
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=699913 (Central Scouting Euro Skaters)

And for fun, http://www.draftsite.com/nhl/mock-draft/2014/ (However, this isn't updated as regularly as I'd like)

(BTW I don't mean to come off as a ******, I never knew about most of these links a few years ago, just wanted to share. )

Mr Lebowski · Mar 10, 2014

I hear FC is reliable, I have two friends whobare scouts and one recomended me to that. I used to use draft site but they update it once every few months. MyNHL draft is another good one. I'll check out the other one

theIceWookie · Mar 10, 2014

KGL said:
I hear FC is reliable, I have two friends whobare scouts and one recomended me to that. I used to use draft site but they update it once every few months. MyNHL draft is another good one. I'll check out the other one

why do you like mistele and Middleton so much?

mistele never really made that next step and there are a lot of other guys I like better. middleton just doesn't impress me at all. doesn't seem to play defense well yet.

theIceWookie · Mar 10, 2014

Stewie Griffin said:
Here's what I'd like to see on draft day:

Trade 1st round pick (5th overall) and 3rd round pick (from Pittsburgh, 83rd overall) to Anaheim for 9th overall pick (from Ottawa) and ~28th overall pick (Anaheim's pick) Why? Still rebuilding, yo - need to fill the cupboards, and I don't think we get a fantastic prospect with the 5th pick. Ducks do it to get a higher pick in this draft and are in a better position to take a chance.

First and second choice picks at each draft position in the first three rounds:

9th - 1) Haydn Fleury, D, Red Deer (WHL) 2) Nick Ritchie, RW, Peterborough (OHL)

28th - 1) Alex Tuch, RW, USNTDP (USHL) 2) Jakub Vrana, RW, Linkoping, (SWE)

35th - 1) Adrian Kempe, C, MoDo U-20 (SWE) 2) Josh Ho-Sang, C, Windsor (OHL)

53rd - 1) Thatcher Demko, G, Boston College (NCAA) 2) Ryan MacInnis, LW, Kitchener (OHL)

65th - 1) Ryan Mantha, D, Indiana (USHL) 2) Keegan Iverson, RW, Portland (WHL)

For arguments sake, here's my personal top ten ranking as of right now:

1. Ekblad
2. Reinhart
3. Bennett
4. Draisatl
5. Dal Colle
6. Perlini
7. Fleury
8. Kapanen
9. Ritchie
10. Nylander

To the question in the post above me, I could definitely see Vrana fall to the early 2nd round.

I'm not a huge fan of a trade down. rebuilding still yes, but high end prospect is better than quantity. not sure the trade down makes sense in this case. I'm not sure Ritchie will be available anyways, and I don't really see fleury as a high end guy.

I'd rather pick dal colle and move on.

herashak · Mar 10, 2014

Forgot who said it but they said there was a drop off in talent at around 7(Mackenzie or pronman I think), not worth trading down to 9 imo

Taranis · Mar 10, 2014

To me it looks like the drop off is after 5.

Taranis · Mar 10, 2014

Craig Button (TSN) released his new draft list.

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649

Pirate King Luffy · Mar 10, 2014

Taranis said:
Craig Button (TSN) released his new draft list.

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649

Drop of at 6 and than a boost and 7 and than once again huge drop off right after.

Calculon · Mar 10, 2014

Taranis said:
Craig Button (TSN) released his new draft list.

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649

His top five looks spot on.

The Flames will be in good shape moving forward if they can land one of those guys.

Mr Lebowski · Mar 10, 2014

theIceWookie said:
why do you like mistele and Middleton so much?

mistele never really made that next step and there are a lot of other guys I like better. middleton just doesn't impress me at all. doesn't seem to play defense well yet.

Mistele is a big chippy power forward. He'll be a good 3rd liner that'll play PP and PK. He blocks shots, wins the little battles, crashes the net, screen goalie, grabs rebounds, tips the puck in. His shot is one of the best in the draft. Release is quick and confusing. He'll be a fan favorite

Middleton is a good defenseman that is always improving. Hos growth in junior year to year has been the most in the draft. He won't make too many mistakes. He has NHL size and a good leader in Ottawa. He eats big minutes. Good. Puck mover and his physicality is nice as well

Ace Rimmer · Mar 10, 2014

Taranis said:
Craig Button (TSN) released his new draft list.

http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649

Wow, some notable names have fallen. Virtanen at 41? Yes please, Calgary will take him at 35.

Mr Lebowski · Mar 10, 2014

You sure Craig. Some of those, alright mst of those are a little off

Mr Lebowski · Mar 10, 2014

Alright, new mock draft

Dal Colle
Virtanen
Demko
Dougherty

For first 4. These are all guys I have in the 1st round and 3 of them in top 15

theIceWookie · Mar 10, 2014

KGL said:
Mistele is a big chippy power forward. He'll be a good 3rd liner that'll play PP and PK. He blocks shots, wins the little battles, crashes the net, screen goalie, grabs rebounds, tips the puck in. His shot is one of the best in the draft. Release is quick and confusing. He'll be a fan favorite

Middleton is a good defenseman that is always improving. Hos growth in junior year to year has been the most in the draft. He won't make too many mistakes. He has NHL size and a good leader in Ottawa. He eats big minutes. Good. Puck mover and his physicality is nice as well

both have great tools but haven't exactly done what was expected. at this point neither are 2nd round picks. low end third round or lower.

mistele took a step back this year. he's got tools but he just hasn't really taken that step many expected. had a really slow start. he's been better in 2014 but he's probably going to be available with one of our thirds.

and Middleton hasn't been the draft eligible player who has grown the most. that's absurd. he's done better than last year but nots hard considering he was barely playing for Owen sound and then played a handful of games for Ottawa. he plays in all situations but that's because Ottawa doesn't have much. he's a mid round guy, not 2nd round talent. I'm not sure I'd even want him to be honest, maybe take him in the 3rd but I'd probably go with someone else.

there are much better players available with our 2md round picks

theIceWookie · Mar 10, 2014

KGL said:
Alright, new mock draft

Dal Colle
Virtanen
Demko
Dougherty

For first 4. These are all guys I have in the 1st round and 3 of them in top 15

button's list is usually interesting but he usually has a guy or two who he doesn't like and keeps low. virtanen is that guy this year. wouldn't read too much into it

Mr Lebowski · Mar 10, 2014

theIceWookie said:
both have great tools but haven't exactly done what was expected. at this point neither are 2nd round picks. low end third round or lower.

mistele took a step back this year. he's got tools but he just hasn't really taken that step many expected. had a really slow start. he's been better in 2014 but he's probably going to be available with one of our thirds.

and Middleton hasn't been the draft eligible player who has grown the most. that's absurd. he's done better than last year but nots hard considering he was barely playing for Owen sound and then played a handful of games for Ottawa. he plays in all situations but that's because Ottawa doesn't have much. he's a mid round guy, not 2nd round talent. I'm not sure I'd even want him to be honest, maybe take him in the 3rd but I'd probably go with someone else.

there are much better players available with our 2md round picks

Didn't realize I had them that high, I did the draft a couple weeks ago. I'd pick Mistele with last 3rd, Middleton if we got 4th. I'll do my new one after the game

Mr Lebowski · Mar 10, 2014

theIceWookie said:
button's list is usually interesting but he usually has a guy or two who he doesn't like and keeps low. virtanen is that guy this year. wouldn't read too much into it

That was more of a joke. Everyone knows Virtanen will be a top 15 guy. Demko will go higher. Dougherty will be a 2nd

theIceWookie · Mar 10, 2014

KGL said:
That was more of a joke. Everyone knows Virtanen will be a top 15 guy. Demko will go higher. Dougherty will be a 2nd

Haha my mistake. Sometimes it's hard to tell a joke from a serious comment on the internet lol

Ace Rimmer · Mar 11, 2014

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