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My top 115 of prospect

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**Prospect drafted and not in NHL

  1. Clayton Keller
  2. Jesse Puljujarvi
  3. Charles McCavoy
  4. Thomas Chabot
  5. Kyle Connor
  6. Tyson Jost
  7. Olli Juolevi
  8. Kirill Kaprizov
  9. Alexander Nylander
  10. Dylan Strome
  11. Brock Boeser
  12. Luke Kunin
  13. Logan Brown
  14. Matthew Barzal
  15. Nikita Gusev
  16. Colin White
  17. P-L Dubois
  18. Phillipe Myers
  19. Samuel Girard
  20. Mikhail Sergachev
  21. Julius Honka
  22. Joel Eriksson-Ek
  23. Travis Sanheim
  24. Ilya Samsonov
  25. Julien Gauthier
  26. Denis Guryanov
  27. Kyle Wood
  28. Kasperi Kapanen
  29. Evgeni Schevnikov
  30. Jordan Greenway
  31. Sam Steel
  32. Taylor Raddysh
  33. Kieffer Bellows
  34. Brendan Montour
  35. Adam Fox
  36. Kale Clague
  37. Daniel Sprong
  38. Tage Thompson
  39. Michael McLoed
  40. Jacob Larsson
  41. Olivier Kylington
  42. Dante Fabbro
  43. Gabriel Carlsson
  44. Ryan Pulock
  45. Jeremy Roy
  46. Ilya Sorokin
  47. Mikhail Vorobyov
  48. Vladislav Kamenev
  49. Christian Fischer
  50. Jack Roslovic
  51. Noah Juulsen
  52. Adam Mascherin
  53. German Rubstov
  54. Brendan Guhle
  55. Trent Frederic
  56. Blake Speers
  57. Alex DeBrincat
  58. Cliff Pu
  59. Dennis Cholowski
  60. Jake Bean
  61. Michael McCaron
  62. Max Jones
  63. Nikta Scherbak
  64. Brety Howden
  65. A.J Greer
  66. Alex Tuch
  67. Steve Stantini
  68. Jakub Zboril
  69. Nikolay Guldobin
  70. Maxim Shalumov
  71. Igor Shesterkin
  72. Carl Grundstrom
  73. Carter Hart
  74. Jeremy Lauzon
  75. Madison Bowey
  76. Vladimir Tkachyov
  77. Jake Guentzel
  78. Tyler Parsons
  79. Olivier Bjokstrand
  80. Jeremy Bracco
  81. Henrik Borgstrom
  82. Joey Andersen
  83. Haydn Fleury
  84. Matthieu Joseph
  85. Rasmus Asplund
  86. Filip Hronek
  87. Dillon Dube
  88. Tyler Benson
  89. Igor Rykov
  90. Riley Tufte
  91. Anthony Cirelli
  92. Michael Dal Colle
  93. Troy Terry
  94. Alexandre Carrier
  95. Zachary Senyshin
  96. Danton Heinen
  97. Yakov Trenin
  98. Lucas Johansen
  99. Vitali Abramov
  100. Anatoly Golishev
  101. Filip Chlapik
  102. Robert Hagg
  103. Ivan Barbashev
  104. Ethan Bear
  105. Tristan Jarry
  106. Mitchell Vande Sompel
  107. Jordan Subban
  108. Jordan Schmaltz
  109. Jonas Siegenthaler
  110. Keegan Kolesar
  111. William Lockwood
  112. Samuel Morin
  113. Logan Stanley
  114. Taylor Cammarata
  115. Brandon Gignac
 

DeltaSwede

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I really appreciate things like this.

Interesting that you have William Lockwood (111) ranked but have not ranked Adam Gaudette, Thatcher Demko, or Guillaume Brisebois. All three of those players are consistently ranked higher up the Canucks depth chart than Lockwood.

Speaking of Lockwood, I find him to be a really intriguing prospect. Tough to judge his ceiling but he's a really fun player to watch. Lot's of energy.

No mention of Virtanen could be expected. A lot of people have given up on him and signed him off. Still hoping Travis Green chisels him into something beneficial for the organization.
 

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Wow that's a lot of names. Nice to see Trenin ranked over Abramov. That's the way I see it when I watch the live games. However I haven't seen them in town this year. I liked what I seen from Trenin at the WJC. Wish Vince Dunn and Andrew Neilson could have wedged themselves in there somewhere. I think Santini and Guentzel may have found permanent homes in the NHL and Nicolas Roy should be rocketing up everyones charts this year but hey that's a lot of names. Good Work
 

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I'd still have Puljujärvi as #1. Failing to land successfully into the NHL at the age of 18 is no shame. He's got the tools, size and the resume. Just a matter of time when he patches everything together.
 

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The Leafs best prospect after Kapanen is Andrew Nielsen (maybe he is 3rd to Grundstrom). Personally, I'd switch him from Bracco.
 

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Good list. That's probably one of the bigger lists I've seen so I'm impressed by that.

Oskar Lindblom is a guy who I think should be on this list. He may not have the highest ceiling as a player, but he could be a really good 3rd line winger. He could become a 2nd line winger but I seen a 3rd line role being more likely. He's 4th in SHL scoring this season with 11G 20A in 35GP
 

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Pretty good list.
Just some omissions off the top of my head that I expected to be there:
Justin Bailey, Caleb Jones, Adam Gaudette, Anders Bjork, Carl Grundstrom, Max Shalunov (if Tkachyov is there) and maybe Anton Rodin
 

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Wow that's a lot of names. Nice to see Trenin ranked over Abramov. That's the way I see it when I watch the live games. However I haven't seen them in town this year. I liked what I seen from Trenin at the WJC. Wish Vince Dunn and Andrew Neilson could have wedged themselves in there somewhere. I think Santini and Guentzel may have found permanent homes in the NHL and Nicolas Roy should be rocketing up everyones charts this year but hey that's a lot of names. Good Work


Thanks!

For Trenin > Abramov , the Trenin game is just easier to transpose into the NHL . Trenin is really effective in puck protection and forecheck , win face-off also . I see him like a big center of bottom 6 , face-off specialist with ability to score .

Abramov is very small , so This kind of player must play on a top 6 , or now some team top 9 . Very dynamic player and noise around the net . It is the player player that in 2 years he will have a chance and he will have to take it if he will never play

For Nielsen , It is a bad luck, I have seen him play once this season and he play terribly . That's scouting .I've heard good things about this and are statistic are very good so maybe he deserve a spot
 

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I'd still have Puljujärvi as #1. Failing to land successfully into the NHL at the age of 18 is no shame. He's got the tools, size and the resume. Just a matter of time when he patches everything together.

I did not Keller forward because of the bad start of the season of Puljujarvi . I have Keller in front since draft . Loving dynamic of Keller , controlling pace of game when is on ice . Always the high head with incredible hands , just fall in love with him
 

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Kunin over Barzal is surprising.

Not a WJ issue . I have Kunin 8 at last draft . Kunin has a style of games and upside better fit to be dominant in the NHL than Barzal . Kunin will be a special player , a futur captain with one of best shot in league . Very good around the net too . Barzal is dynamic, with good hands but his decision-making is not always excellent and likes to keep the puck too long. I just prefer upside of Kunin


Btw i don't speech english very well , i do my best
 

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Not a WJ issue . I have Kunin 8 at last draft . Kunin has a style of games and upside better fit to be dominant in the NHL than Barzal . Kunin will be a special player , a futur captain with one of best shot in league . Very good around the net too . Barzal is dynamic, with good hands but his decision-making is not always excellent and likes to keep the puck too long. I just prefer upside of Kunin


Btw i don't speech english very well , i do my best

It's all good, I have no problem with you ranking Kunin over. Just that I haven't really seen that anywhere else so I expect that it will raise some eyebrows.
 

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Kunin I'm not sure about, but Barzal is a player who will invite controversy. When I first saw him I thought he was really, really good. Then I started to see the flaws in his game. He has talent, but I don't know if the talent he has will transfer to the NHL. He doesn't seem to have a clock that goes off in his head when he has held onto the puck too long. Don't know if he is this way in junior?

Kunin has a simple game. Get puck, get in position, fire puck. What surprises me is that he plays with an edge, but a sensible one. Still not convinced about his skating.
 

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not a bad list. while i like kunin alot around 15 i'd have JEE ; colin white & then kunin. kinda 123. just minor correction. cheers.
 

Butch26

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Good list. That's probably one of the bigger lists I've seen so I'm impressed by that.

Oskar Lindblom is a guy who I think should be on this list. He may not have the highest ceiling as a player, but he could be a really good 3rd line winger. He could become a 2nd line winger but I seen a 3rd line role being more likely. He's 4th in SHL scoring this season with 11G 20A in 35GP

At this point of years i have seen 0 games of SHL so i don't class these guys but

Peterssen , Nygren , Aho , Rensfeltd , Lindlom and Everberg are guys who i will watch him in next month
 

Butch26

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It's all good, I have no problem with you ranking Kunin over. Just that I haven't really seen that anywhere else so I expect that it will raise some eyebrows.

You'r right . I love Keller/Kunin/Girard/Chabot/Connor/McCavoy/Jost/Myers/Honka/Raddysh/Clague so maybe these player are too high
 

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Thanks!

For Trenin > Abramov , the Trenin game is just easier to transpose into the NHL . Trenin is really effective in puck protection and forecheck , win face-off also . I see him like a big center of bottom 6 , face-off specialist with ability to score .

Abramov is very small , so This kind of player must play on a top 6 , or now some team top 9 . Very dynamic player and noise around the net . It is the player player that in 2 years he will have a chance and he will have to take it if he will never play

For Nielsen , It is a bad luck, I have seen him play once this season and he play terribly . That's scouting .I've heard good things about this and are statistic are very good so maybe he deserve a spot

I get the reasoning, but to me upside has be a significant factor with these lists and Abramov is clearly ahead of Trenin in that regard, although Trenin showed better skills during WJC then I expected.
 

Butch26

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I get the reasoning, but to me upside has be a significant factor with these lists and Abramov is clearly ahead of Trenin in that regard, although Trenin showed better skills during WJC then I expected.

If i have a choice between these two at draft , would take Trenin because I am sure that it will play in the NHL and will make something that a very low number of player can do . Special player

I love Abramov too . Two of my best friends , Ouellet and Bellemare play there so i watch a lot of Gatineau game . Very close call , just two position between these too .
 

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Solid list... though I think the Flyers on it are all over the place!

You have it as:

#1: Myers
#2: Sanheim
#3: Vorobyov
#4: Rubtsov
#5: Hart
#6: Hägg
#7: Morin

Whereas the consensus on Flyers board is probably:

#1: Sanheim
#2: Myers
#3: Lindblom/Rubtsov
#4: Rubtsov/Lindblom
#5: Morin
#6: Stolarz/Hart/Sandström
#7: Stolarz/Hart/Sandström


Vorobyov is generally ~9-10th and Hägg usually lucky to make our top 10.
 

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I get the reasoning, but to me upside has be a significant factor with these lists and Abramov is clearly ahead of Trenin in that regard, although Trenin showed better skills during WJC then I expected.

All last year I watched Trenin steamroll his way through the qmjhl and I was amazed at his strength and speed and size. He would grind people off the puck and pass it off to Abramov at the blue line. When Abramov lost it Trenin would grind another guy for possession. I always found Abramov a floater. I haven't seen him this year but last year really turned me off. I hope Trenin can lock down a spot with the Preds. I don't think the Abramov game will translate. Trenins play at the WJC didn't surprise me. I thought he was going to be a cut. That would have been a mistake but that's only my opinion
 

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My top 115 of prospect

What do you think ?

**Prospect drafted and not in NHL

  1. Clayton Keller
  2. Jesse Puljujarvi
  3. Charles McCavoy
  4. Thomas Chabot
  5. Kyle Connor
  6. Tyson Jost
  7. Olli Juolevi
  8. Kirill Kaprizov
  9. Alexander Nylander
  10. Dylan Strome
  11. Brock Boeser
  12. Luke Kunin
  13. Logan Brown
  14. Matthew Barzal
  15. Nikita Gusev
  16. Colin White
  17. P-L Dubois
  18. Phillipe Myers
  19. Samuel Girard
  20. Mikhail Sergachev
  21. Julius Honka
  22. Joel Eriksson-Ek
  23. Travis Sanheim
  24. Ilya Samsonov
  25. Julien Gauthier
  26. Denis Guryanov
  27. Kyle Wood
  28. Kasperi Kapanen
  29. Evgeni Schevnikov
  30. Jordan Greenway
  31. Sam Steel
  32. Taylor Raddysh
  33. Kieffer Bellows
  34. Brendan Montour
  35. Adam Fox
  36. Kale Clague
  37. Daniel Sprong
  38. Tage Thompson
  39. Michael McLoed
  40. Jacob Larsson
  41. Olivier Kylington
  42. Dante Fabbro
  43. Gabriel Carlsson
  44. Ryan Pulock
  45. Jeremy Roy
  46. Ilya Sorokin
  47. Mikhail Vorobyov
  48. Vladislav Kamenev
  49. Christian Fischer
  50. Jack Roslovic
  51. Noah Juulsen
  52. Adam Mascherin
  53. German Rubstov
  54. Brendan Guhle
  55. Trent Frederic
  56. Blake Speers
  57. Alex DeBrincat
  58. Cliff Pu
  59. Dennis Cholowski
  60. Jake Bean
  61. Michael McCaron
  62. Max Jones
  63. Nikta Scherbak
  64. Brety Howden
  65. A.J Greer
  66. Alex Tuch
  67. Steve Stantini
  68. Jakub Zboril
  69. Nikolay Guldobin
  70. Maxim Shalumov
  71. Igor Shesterkin
  72. Carl Grundstrom
  73. Carter Hart
  74. Jeremy Lauzon
  75. Madison Bowey
  76. Vladimir Tkachyov
  77. Jake Guentzel
  78. Tyler Parsons
  79. Olivier Bjokstrand
  80. Jeremy Bracco
  81. Henrik Borgstrom
  82. Joey Andersen
  83. Haydn Fleury
  84. Matthieu Joseph
  85. Rasmus Asplund
  86. Filip Hronek
  87. Dillon Dube
  88. Tyler Benson
  89. Igor Rykov
  90. Riley Tufte
  91. Anthony Cirelli
  92. Michael Dal Colle
  93. Troy Terry
  94. Alexandre Carrier
  95. Zachary Senyshin
  96. Danton Heinen
  97. Yakov Trenin
  98. Lucas Johansen
  99. Vitali Abramov
  100. Anatoly Golishev
  101. Filip Chlapik
  102. Robert Hagg
  103. Ivan Barbashev
  104. Ethan Bear
  105. Tristan Jarry
  106. Mitchell Vande Sompel
  107. Jordan Subban
  108. Jordan Schmaltz
  109. Jonas Siegenthaler
  110. Keegan Kolesar
  111. William Lockwood
  112. Samuel Morin
  113. Logan Stanley
  114. Taylor Cammarata
  115. Brandon Gignac

How close was Ryan Graves to making your list?
 

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