GDT: burly midwestern hockeymen from ohio penetrate small, skillful hockeymens tight d

[dogbazinho]

My gut tells me our supposed strongpoint, our D, has been worse than expected. Every game it seems Pesce and Slavin get caught out of position. Faulk has been a no-show offensively and gives away the puck far too often for a "top pairing" d. I think we lost a bit of grit, leadership or some other intangible with Hainsey.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Do you know how to find "odd man rush" stats? I feel like despite out playing almost every team the other team always seems to have more odd man rushes. Honestly, it could be a psychological thing where I just remember the opponents opportunities better because I feel like they will cash in on there's and the Canes won't.

I don't know where those stats exist. I think its a few things.

1) after watching a series of games last week and Monday, odd man rushes and poor coverage in front of the net is an issue with many teams. Minnesota, who is always touted as having one of the best defensive group was just brutal the other night. Same with some of the other games I watched. I think a lot of it has to do with most teams want their defensemen to be much more active offensively at a time when the league gets faster and faster.

2) Canes seem to coach the defense to pinch and "activate" (as Peters says regularly). There were times last night where both defensemen were pinching very low leaving 1 forward high. While this clearly drives possession and offense, it exposes a team to odd man rushes. Canes defensemen are more aggressive pinching to keep a puck in the zone than many other teams I watch.

3) Canes coach their defensemen to maintain very tight gaps in the neutral zone. Again, this makes it hard for the other team to gain the zone and maintain possession, but any error leads to an odd man rush.

 

[Finlandia WOAT]

Hurricanes are bottom ten in High Danger Chances Against, but are top five in Scoring Chances Against (raw numbers).

Conversely, they're top 10 in HDSv%, but are bottom 5 in Sv% on a scoring chance.

Just based on that, it's partly the system and partly the goaltending.

 

[tarheelhockey]

My gut tells me our supposed strongpoint, our D, has been worse than expected. Every game it seems Pesce and Slavin get caught out of position. Faulk has been a no-show offensively and gives away the puck far too often for a "top pairing" d. I think we lost a bit of grit, leadership or some other intangible with Hainsey.

I don’t think Slavin or Pesce have been that disappointing tbh. Even the best D get caught out of position from time to time when matched against top opponents, it’s the nature of the position. IMO there was a bit of a silly narrative in the off-season that those guys literally never make mistakes, which set an impossible bar for them.

 

[StormCast]

I don’t think Slavin or Pesce have been that disappointing tbh. Even the best D get caught out of position from time to time when matched against top opponents, it’s the nature of the position. IMO there was a bit of a silly narrative in the off-season that those guys literally never make mistakes, which set an impossible bar for them.

So far Pesce has been better than last year but Slavin not as good. Faulk and Hanifin are clueless at times in their own end. TVR? Meh. Fleury has been a pleasant surprise though.

 

[NotOpie]

It seemed to me there was a few series, after Jordan's penalty and the PK where they were broken up for a bit, but they were re-united shortly there-after. I viewed it as just taking a few shifts to get things right after the penalty. I was helping one of my sons during the 3rd period though so wasn't watching it closely so someone else would have to comment if there were changes in the 3rd.

If I recall correctly, Lindholm and Teravainen switched lines about 5 minutes into the 3rd. Nordstrom and McGinn swapped as well. It didn't feel like was about special circumstances, it was the "blend-o-matic" in practice again. I really like Aho with Lindy, but breaking up Aho and Teravainen seems like a capital offense. I do believe the Columbus was loading up against those two, putting both forwards with size and Jones/Werenski against the TSA line. I'm not sure it is a permanent change, merely a situational thing.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

According to left wing lock:

TT-Staal-Aho: was on the ice 18% of the time (the most)
Aho-Staal-Lindholm: was on the ice 16% of the time, so almost the same.
Williams-Staal-Skinner: was on the ice 4% of the time.

So Staal was on the ice for almost 38% of the 5v5 time (which matches his TOI) and those were his wingers. Now, I'm not sure how Left wing lock calculates this and accounts for line changes, but it should be close.

 

[RodTheBawd]

this isn't a game they pissed away. cbus was flat out better. solid goaltending got the canes a point, on to the next one.

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Bingo.

I don't typically watch the shootout. Partly because they always lose, and partly because it's boring as **** to watch (to me). Not the best way to end a game.

This one I only watched because it was during a commercial break of the CW's Superhero special.

So edgy.

I don’t think Slavin or Pesce have been that disappointing tbh. Even the best D get caught out of position from time to time when matched against top opponents, it’s the nature of the position. IMO there was a bit of a silly narrative in the off-season that those guys literally never make mistakes, which set an impossible bar for them.

Ehh... Slavin has looked noticeably off. It's not the glaring mistakes, which as you mentioned all D make, it's that he's a half a step slower or something.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

So edgy.

Edgy's got nothing to do with it. The shootout is simply a part of the game I don't enjoy.

As far as flipping channels, I can't be the only one who flips between the game and some other show, especially given how predictable the team usually is. Usually can tell by the end of the 1st if it's a game worth watching.

 

[bleedgreen]

I'm always watching on Game Center from either the Apple TV or the laptop. Too complicated to "change channels".

Before you said that I don't think I realized how much that impacts how I watch. I do switch channels on the avs and sometimes forget to go back for awhile, that's my local cable.

With the canes I start watching from the beginning at least a half hour after the game starts and fast forward through all the commmercials and intermissions. Takes a little over an hour.

 

[geehaad]

Usually can tell by the end of the 1st if it's a game worth watching.

Usually, the first period tells me very little about the 2nd and 3rd (and +) periods.

I start watching from the beginning at least a half hour after the game starts and fast forward through all the commmercials and intermissions. Takes a little over an hour.

The only thing about cutting the cord that I miss.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Usually, the first period tells me very little about the 2nd and 3rd (and +) periods.

To each their own, I suppose. If they're not playing well in the first, I've found it's typically a good bet they're not going to be worth devoting full attention to for the final two periods.

They may play well for one of those final two periods, and occasionally will pull a win out of their ass, but too often it's the whole "moral victory" template I've just gotten too numb to fully commit to.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Here's how the Canes are doing in leading / trailing:

Trailing after 1: 2-4-1 which is tied for 11th best winning % in the NHL right now.
Trailing after 2: 1-5-2 which is a 20th best winning %in the NHL right now.
Leading after 1: 4-0-1 which is 13th best winning % in the NHL right now.
Leading after 2: 5-1-2 which is 27th best winning % in the NHL right now.
* These rankings are winning %, not point %

So in 3 out of 7 games so far, when they are trailing after 1 they come back and tie/win the game and get a point.

 

[FaulkYouAho]

i think Pesce and Slavin have done great this year. they can't carry the team all by themselves ya know. Hanifin you can't say he hasn't improved as he is top 30 in defensemen points on the season tied for 26th place with 13 points. faulk has been a MAJOR disappointment. TVR and Flurey i think have been great. Flurey has been great as he is great defensively and doesn't really get caught out of position. he hasn't made any glaring rookie mistakes either. TVR has also been decent holding down the fort for us. I have seen a lot of areas where Pesce or Slavin join in on the rush when they aren't really supposed to and i don't like it and its noticeable. The coaches want to try and change their play and i don't like it. i am also noticing Flurey is a little anxious to get his first NHL Goal sometimes tho. I really don't see why you guys do criticize every little thing our defense does. there is only one reason i don't want to make the playoffs and that is the prospect Rasmus Kupari. Liiga Kaarpat connection and is a mix of Jesse Pulijarvi and Sebastian aho from what i have heard not just from elite prospects. I still want us to make the playoffs but this prospect could be good and is playing against the men rn and i believe has 4 points. projected top 10. I would love playoffs and a top 10 pick tho .

 

[geehaad]

Too often it's the whole "moral victory" template I've just gotten too numb to fully commit to.

Ah, well, yes, I can get behind that line of reasoning, for sure. Certainly I've had enough of entering the 3rd period with a 3-goal deficit, they storm back to within one, have a 2-minute flurry at the end, yet fail to score the tying goal. I f***ing hate how many times they've done that to us.

However, not so after only one period of play. In my mind, anything still goes...

 

[MinJaBen]

As far as flipping channels, I can't be the only one who flips between the game and some other show, especially given how predictable the team usually is. Usually can tell by the end of the 1st if it's a game worth watching.

I'm sort of in this boat, but instead of flipping channels, I switch between watching and playing a video game.

 

[Unsustainable]

Trade Faulk, recall McKeown whose at a PPG pace

 

[bleedgreen]

Meh. Can't see elevating Mckeown straight to the second pair. TVR doesn't belong higher than the third, and matches well with Hanifin. That also leaves Mckeown and Fleury together.

Someone becomes expendable once Bean and Mckeown are both knocking on the door. Maybe TVR won't be here long. Hope we'd get that second back.

 

[geehaad]

Oooooh...unlucky, Unsustainable. Now you have to add a to your next 10 attempts at dry humor.

 

[Lempo]

Oooooh...unlucky, Unsustainable. Now you have to add a to your next 10 attempts at dry humor.

We have to play internet with the stupids' rules now?!

(no offence, bleed )

 

[bleedgreen]

Ooooooo. My bad. I can never tell who's being serious about that stuff. Half of us WOULD trade Faulk probably.

I lose at internet today.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Well, whether he was serious or not, for tonight's game, they have Fleury on the 1st pair, TVR on the 2nd pair and Pesce on the 3rd. Of course, you could argue it's just 3 equal pairings.

 

[geehaad]

you could argue it's just 3 equal pairings.

Don't you dare presume to tell me what my argument is, sir!

But yes, that would be my argument.

 

[Unsustainable]

Ooooooo. My bad. I can never tell who's being serious about that stuff. Half of us WOULD trade Faulk probably.

I lose at internet today.

I’ve been trolling for so long, I forget which side of what stance I am supposed to be on.