Confirmed with Link: Brind'Amour named head coach

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Imagine if one of us bought the Hurricanes. Talk about involved. We'd want to bench guys eight seconds into a game and bag skate the team three times daily. Dundon is an excitable guy who wants to win. The level of involvement to this point makes total sense to me.

Looking back, there was no chance Francis/Peters were going to last under Dundon. Dundon is a manager and a communicator. Those guys are black boxes. He's got communicators in their place now. I'm sure he'll do a ton of "communicating," but I wouldn't worry about him making any decisions on trades, draft picks, etc. The whole point of this exercise is so that he wouldn't have to make those decisions, but he needed to make sure the "how and why" of the decisions were effectively communicated and made sense in light of the grand plan. This was obviously not happening under Francis/Peters and should be happening now that Waddell/Brindy are in place.

It's hard to look at the past year and not think he's onto something. A lot of what Francis and Peters did was inexplicable, even among hockey nerds. To a novice, it must have been bewildering. Francis and Peters were always saying they were "on the same page," and maybe they were, with each other. But they were not on the same page as the players and the rest of the coaching/management of the organization. I have every reason to think that disconnect has been addressed effectively, and for that I give Dundon credit ... and the benefit of the doubt (for now).
 

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Okay so I just watched the press conference for the first time. I've calmed down since my outbursts here on Tuesday.

I'm still not excited about this and think this is an extremely risky decision with more potential to backfire but I guess we could do worse. When Muller and Peters were hired I had my doubts too but they both came from different organizations and seemed to be on an upward trajectory. I have no idea where I'd rank Brindy on that scale, he's not someone I ever thought would be good HC material. I'm also one who is against hiring former legends as the head coach, because if it doesn't go right (and it usually doesn't outside college football and even then it's not guaranteed) it just leaves a bad taste in everyones mouth. And to be frank, this is a very critical time in this franchises history, these decisions have to be right more than ever, and I'm just not feeling it.

There's just way too many doubts circling my mind, but all that said I'm going to give it a chance. I'm not entirely sure I'm going to keep my fan card if this blows up but they've at least still got my attention for now.
 
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Imagine if one of us bought the Hurricanes. Talk about involved. We'd want to bench guys eight seconds into a game and bag skate the team three times daily. Dundon is an excitable guy who wants to win. The level of involvement to this point makes total sense to me.

I don't know about that. I'd assume that most of us here would take a similar stance as Dundon and say "Well, Ron Francis/Rod Brindamour know more about hockey than I ever will."

The difference is, I'd imagine most of us would stick with that stance instead of going back on it a month or two later.
 

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I don't know about that. I'd assume that most of us here would take a similar stance as Dundon and say "Well, Ron Francis/Rod Brindamour know more about hockey than I ever will."

The difference is, I'd imagine most of us would stick with that stance instead of going back on it a month or two later.

I would be an incredible pain in the ass, joining pregame skates, hanging out on live Facebook with the players, and absolutely asking every question I could.
 

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i just really hope this organization doesn't turn into a tony robbins seminar. the whole "i don't believe in strategy" comments by dundon were just hilariously naive for someone that's tasked with making decisions about hires. brind'amour might have talked his way into this gig. if pete friesen were still with the team, dundon would have made him director of something for his enthusiasm.
 

NotOpie

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My whole take on the perceived Dundon/Brindy interaction is something like this. Let's substitute a Bill Peters situation for a Brindy one in the future:

Tom: Why do you keep playing Derek f***ing Ryan in overtime situations
Bill: I like what he brings to the ice
Tom: We've lost the last 5 overtimes when he was on the ice, 3 as a direct result of his bad decisions, misplaying the puck, or getting out-muscled
Bill: He's got heart and you can't measure his intangibles
Tom: You're from Alberta, aren't you...my understanding is there might be a job opening back home....
 

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Imagine if one of us bought the Hurricanes. Talk about involved. We'd want to bench guys eight seconds into a game and bag skate the team three times daily. Dundon is an excitable guy who wants to win. The level of involvement to this point makes total sense to me.

Looking back, there was no chance Francis/Peters were going to last under Dundon. Dundon is a manager and a communicator. Those guys are black boxes. He's got communicators in their place now. I'm sure he'll do a ton of "communicating," but I wouldn't worry about him making any decisions on trades, draft picks, etc. The whole point of this exercise is so that he wouldn't have to make those decisions, but he needed to make sure the "how and why" of the decisions were effectively communicated and made sense in light of the grand plan. This was obviously not happening under Francis/Peters and should be happening now that Waddell/Brindy are in place.

It's hard to look at the past year and not think he's onto something. A lot of what Francis and Peters did was inexplicable, even among hockey nerds. To a novice, it must have been bewildering. Francis and Peters were always saying they were "on the same page," and maybe they were, with each other. But they were not on the same page as the players and the rest of the coaching/management of the organization. I have every reason to think that disconnect has been addressed effectively, and for that I give Dundon credit ... and the benefit of the doubt (for now).

This.

I have to be somewhat hopeful (for now) about the unconventional moves Dundon is making.

Then again- we have a saying in the Army: "Hope in one hand, shit in the other. See which one fills up first."
 

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The more I see, the more my read is that Dundon absolutely wants to be involved, but wants to stay on the right side of the line between "involved" and "meddling".

He's not a hockey guy. Period. So to consider how he conforms to any preconceived notions about the way things work in the hockey world is misguided. He's a businessman and he's bringing a businesslike style to running the team (incidentally, the fact that Waddell is also a businessman is probably the #1 reason why he got Dundon's ear). Time will tell whether it works.

But over the years, I've learned that the teachers and bosses that get the best from you have a habit of challenging you. It's not to make you feel overly uncomfortable or to say that you don't know what you're doing; if that's how it comes across, they're doing it wrong. If he's bringing that approach to a business he doesn't know, then we're screwed. But if they make you defend your idea by saying something like, "tell me why you think this is best," listening thoughtfully to the answer, and having a conversation about it, then it can work very well. The more I learn about it, the more I think this is the approach Dundon is trying to take.

As for Roddy's "we know how every coach's story ends" comment, he's just speaking to the fact that most coaching tenures end with a thud. That comment surprised me because it was more blunt than you normally see in this league, but I really can't find anything else to read into there.
 
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But over the years, I've learned that the teachers and bosses that get the best from you have a habit of challenging you. It's not to make you feel uncomfortable or to say that you don't know what you're doing; if that's how it comes across, they're doing it wrong. If he's bringing that approach to a business he doesn't know, then we're screwed. But if they make you defend your idea by saying something like, "tell me why you think your idea is best," listening thoughtfully to the answer, and having a conversation about it, then it can work very well. The more I learn about it, the more I think this is the approach Dundon is trying to take.

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The more I see, the more my read is that Dundon absolutely wants to be involved, but wants to stay on the right side of the line between "involved" and "meddling".

He's not a hockey guy. Period. So to consider how he conforms to any preconceived notions about the way things work in the hockey world is misguided. He's a businessman and he's bringing a businesslike style to running the team (incidentally, the fact that Waddell is also a businessman is probably the #1 reason why he got Dundon's ear). Time will tell whether it works.

But over the years, I've learned that the teachers and bosses that get the best from you have a habit of challenging you. It's not to make you feel overly uncomfortable or to say that you don't know what you're doing; if that's how it comes across, they're doing it wrong. If he's bringing that approach to a business he doesn't know, then we're screwed. But if they make you defend your idea by saying something like, "tell me why you think this is best," listening thoughtfully to the answer, and having a conversation about it, then it can work very well. The more I learn about it, the more I think this is the approach Dundon is trying to take.

As for Roddy's "we know how every coach's story ends" comment, he's just speaking to the fact that most coaching tenures end with a thud. That comment surprised me because it was more blunt than you normally see in this league, but I really can't find anything else to read into there.

Good post.
 

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As for Roddy's "we know how every coach's story ends" comment, he's just speaking to the fact that most coaching tenures end with a thud. That comment surprised me because it was more blunt than you normally see in this league, but I really can't find anything else to read into there.

Rod seems to wear his heart on his sleeve. That could be good or bad, but probably both at times.
 

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I would be an incredible pain in the ass, joining pregame skates, hanging out on live Facebook with the players, and absolutely asking every question I could.

I would have a La-Z-Boy installed directly onto the end of the Canes bench, where I would sit with a 60 ounce beer in one hand and HFBoards open on a laptop in my other, talking nonstop **** at the other team and negotiating with Tripp Tracy to become our new Director of Good Times.
 

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