Recalled/Assigned: Brendan Lemieux recalled

[Holden Caulfield]

Lemieux couldn't handle the puck last game he played that was only last week. There's plenty of players playing well on Moose to reward with a couple of days callup. Never said Lemieux should never get a chance, just would rather they have given someone else this potential chance based on recent play.

 

[Jimby]

Robinson may have deserved a callup more than Lemieux but has been injured the last couple of games.

Lemieux couldn't handle the puck last game he played that was only last week. There's plenty of players playing well on Moose to reward with a couple of days callup. Never said Lemieux should never get a chance, just would rather they have given someone else this potential chance based on recent play.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Ah, I misread that. I never thought he was garbage personally, but it is a good thing he got a second chance.

I have come to accept that we will never agree on anything. Granted I think you have a better % of being right than me.

 

[Ducky10]

I have come to accept that we will never agree on anything. Granted I think you have a better % of being right than me.

Different perspectives are important, it would be a pretty boring place if we all agreed on everything.

Besides, we can agree that we both love to overanalyze our favourite hockey team to death.......and that Patrik Laine was a gift from God......can't we?

 

[Adam da bomb]

Different perspectives are important, it would be a pretty boring place if we all agreed on everything.

Besides, we can agree that we both love to overanalyze our favourite hockey team to death.......and that Patrik Laine was a gift from God......can't we?

I'm going to have to disagree with you about that, not for any real reason, but, on principle.

 

[sipowicz]

Lemieux couldn't handle the puck last game he played that was only last week. There's plenty of players playing well on Moose to reward with a couple of days callup. Never said Lemieux should never get a chance, just would rather they have given someone else this potential chance based on recent play.

Big Buddy Robinson deserves and earned a look, too bad he got injured.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Big Buddy Robinson deserves and earned a look, too bad he got injured.

It's just one practice tomorrow and two game day skates. How much value is there in that for him?

 

[sipowicz]

It's just one practice tomorrow and two game day skates. How much value is there in that for him?

Good for Big Buddy friggin Robinson’s ego, Buddy is the next Kevin Stevens and you heard it here first!

 

[Ducky10]

Good for Big Buddy friggin Robinson’s ego, Buddy is the next Kevin Stevens and you heard it here first!

Jesus, for that kid's sake I hope not.

 

[sipowicz]

Jesus, for that kid's sake I hope not.

Well hopefully minus the alcohol addiction!

 

[Holden Caulfield]

It's just one practice tomorrow and two game day skates. How much value is there in that for him?

A week on NHL salary vs the AHL salary is a big reward.

 

[Jets4Life]

But would you take Petan over Roslo if the Jets were like okay we will move on from Hendricks? Would you take Petan over Dano if the Jets were like we'll play Copp centre so we can have one more wing? Would you take Petan over Lemieux when other teams like Calgary think they can rough us up?

The idea of Petan even being in Roslovic's league is absurd.

 

[Mud Turtle]

So Lemieux ends up with the most shots per game on the Moose over the year (players over 10 games).
He ends up 4th in ppg.
And he adds grit and net front presence.
I really like what he adds to this team IF he can keep his temper in check.
He definitely adds a different dimension to this team.
For those of you who have seen him play in person often, how is his defensive game?

 

[Jet]

So Lemieux ends up with the most shots per game on the Moose over the year (players over 10 games).
He ends up 4th in ppg.
And he adds grit and net front presence.
I really like what he adds to this team IF he can keep his temper in check.
He definitely adds a different dimension to this team.
For those of you who have seen him play in person often, how is his defensive game?

Holden rant incoming

Seriously,though. I think he's been pretty well behaved in the games he's played with us. I think he replaces a grit/ checking player pretty well. It will be remain to be seen if he can control himself if he becomes an NHL regular.

 

[razorsedge]

I've only seen a little of him when playing with the Jets and don't recall any issues.

Can some fill me in regarding issues with his temper? Examples and videos?

 

[surixon]

I've only seen a little of him when playing with the Jets and don't recall any issues.

Can some fill me in regarding issues with his temper? Examples and videos?

He can't stay out of the box:

He had 170 penalty minutes in only 51 games with the Moose this past year which put him 2nd in total penalty minutes in the AHL. He was also second in PIM per game at well over 3. In contrast only Buff on the Jets had over 100 penalty minutes and he was still under 2 PIM per game.

Its not like Lemieux was that disciplined for us taking 21 minutes of penalties in 9 games.

The simple fact is that if he can't stay out of the box (Nothing to date shows he can control himself) then he hurts the team far more then helps it and really shouldn't be near the roster.

 

[Mud Turtle]

He can't stay out of the box:

He had 170 penalty minutes in only 51 games with the Moose this past year which put him 2nd in total penalty minutes in the AHL. He was also second in PIM per game at well over 3. In contrast only Buff on the Jets had over 100 penalty minutes and he was still under 2 PIM per game.

Its not like Lemieux was that disciplined for us taking 21 minutes of penalties in 9 games.

The simple fact is that if he can't stay out of the box (Nothing to date shows he can control himself) then he hurts the team far more then helps it and really shouldn't be near the roster.

Does anyone have the breakdown of offsetting 5 minute penalties for fighting vs regular 2 minute penalties?
I have a feeling that a lot of those minutes would be offset for fighting but don’t know where to find that.

 

[surixon]

Does anyone have the breakdown of offsetting 5 minute penalties for fighting vs regular 2 minute penalties?
I have a feeling that a lot of those minutes would be offset for fighting but don’t know where to find that.

They have the players game splits so I went in to each individual game and tailed his penalties:

	Minor	Major	10 minute misconduct	Total PIM
Unsportsmanlike behavior	8		5	66
Abuse of officials			1	10
Fighting		6		30
Tripping	2			4
Interference	2			4
Roughing	9			18	6 of 9 looked to be offsetting
Diving	1			2
Hooking	3			6
Slashing	1			2
Cross-checking	2			8	One looked to be offsetting
Instigating	1		1	12
High stick	1	1		6
Elbow	1			2
				170

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

In the end he only fought 6 times, one of which he took an instigator on and gave the other team a penalty.
He did take a lot of offsetting roughing minors.

The first two line are what should worry people. Almost half his total penalty minutes came from unsportsmanlike conduct misconducts. Outside of roughing he took his most minor penalties with regards to not conducting himself properly on the ice. This to me is where people worry about him. You can't have a selfish teammate who hurts the team because they abuse officials and take unnecessary penalties by arguing stuff and acting like jerks on the ice. I would not want a player like this on my team.

Maurice and the team wont tolerate the above, so he better learn to mature and mature quickly if he wants to make the Jets.

 

[Mud Turtle]

They have the players game splits so I went in to each individual game and tailed his penalties:

	Minor	Major	10 minute misconduct	Total PIM
Unsportsmanlike behavior	8		5	66
Abuse of officials			1	10
Fighting		6		30
Tripping	2			4
Interference	2			4
Roughing	9			18	6 of 9 looked to be offsetting
Diving	1			2
Hooking	3			6
Slashing	1			2
Cross-checking	2			8	One looked to be offsetting
Instigating	1		1	12
High stick	1	1		6
Elbow	1			2
				170

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

In the end he only fought 6 times, one of which he took an instigator on and gave the other team a penalty.
He did take a lot of offsetting roughing minors.

The first two line are what should worry people. Almost half his total penalty minutes came from unsportsmanlike conduct misconducts. Outside of roughing he took his most minor penalties with regards to not conducting himself properly on the ice. This to me is where people worry about him. You can't have a selfish teammate who hurts the team because they abuse officials and take unnecessary penalties by arguing stuff and acting like jerks on the ice. I would not want a player like this on my team.

Maurice and the team wont tolerate the above, so he better learn to mature and mature quickly if he wants to make the Jets.

Thanks Surixon. Those first few are quite concerning.
Hopefully he can learn to play close to the edge but not over it.
The kid has talent. Would be a shame if we can’t take advantage of that.

 

[Duke749]

I think people are being a bit optimistic with regards to Lemieux. His lack of discipline is very concerning. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to add a player like him, but I think he has to prove he can stay out of the box first.

 

[JetsUK]

I agree with the above few posts, and Lemmy is undoubtedly a hothead. From watching a bunch of Moose games this year I suspect he thinks of himself as designated penalty taker; IIRC, at least a few of the Unsportsmanlike pens I saw him take resulted from BL "stepping up" for a teammate and either retaliating and/or talking himself into the box.

He def has the skillset to play as a bottom-six NHLer, but he's had a hard time controlling himself on the ice for a long time now, and I just don't see that changing without significant pressure from above/teammates and buy-in from him. The weird thing is, as has often been noted, Brendan is a bright and articulate kid. It's like he has an aggression switch with no override function. If they could mind-meld him with Armia, we'd have a heckuva player.

 

[ps241]

Yea JetsUK you nailed it. "He has an aggression switch with no override function".

The Jets do no lack team toughness so Brendan is redundant IMO. We have had issues as a team with discipline in the past but we seemed to turn a corner last season and make "some" progress. I look at Brendan as a step backwards at this point. If he had control I would not have a problem with him but that is something he has never displayed.

 

[Whileee]

Yea JetsUK you nailed it. "He has an aggression switch with no override function".

The Jets do no lack team toughness so Brendan is redundant IMO. We have had issues as a team with discipline in the past but we seemed to turn a corner last season and make "some" progress. I look at Brendan as a step backwards at this point. If he had control I would not have a problem with him but that is something he has never displayed.

The Jets don't lack toughness, but I do think they lack hard-nosed forwards that will go to the front of the net and crease to score. Vegas did a great job of keeping the Jets forwards away from Fleury. A Gallagher type of netfront presence would bring a different dimension and maybe a bit more scoring to the bottom 6. But Lemieux definitely needs to prove he's not a liability. At the NHL level he's -2 in penalty differential. Forwards should be plus, or even at this. By the way, Perreault has a very good penalty differential, usually - it's one of his valuable attributes.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

I agree with the above few posts, and Lemmy is undoubtedly a hothead. From watching a bunch of Moose games this year I suspect he thinks of himself as designated penalty taker; IIRC, at least a few of the Unsportsmanlike pens I saw him take resulted from BL "stepping up" for a teammate and either retaliating and/or talking himself into the box.

He def has the skillset to play as a bottom-six NHLer, but he's had a hard time controlling himself on the ice for a long time now, and I just don't see that changing without significant pressure from above/teammates and buy-in from him. The weird thing is, as has often been noted, Brendan is a bright and articulate kid. It's like he has an aggression switch with no override function. If they could mind-meld him with Armia, we'd have a heckuva player.

Exact opposite of what I've heard from other Moose players.

 

[JetsUK]

Exact opposite of what I've heard from other Moose players.

Oh sure, and I'll defer to anyone with insider knowledge on this -- just going from interviews and the little I know of him from his junior days, where there seemed to be a divide between on- and off-ice personas.