Value of: Braden Holtby to Buffalo

[Zip15]

Is there a team out there that can offer more than A.Nylander for Holtby?

Buffalo won't offer Nylander for Holtby.

 

[Zip15]

Holtby is better than every goalie you mentioned and despite his season this year it's not close

Every goaltender mentioned by that poster isn't going to cost a prime asset. That's the thing the Holtby Truthers are failing to understand: Holtby is a good goaltender - though this season should not be simply disregarded - but Buffalo is not going to pay a primo asset for a guy two years from UFA when it has holes up and down its system.

Despite being awful, we have only two selections in the top 93 picks this year. Two! We aren't in the position the Leafs were in when they acquired Andersen - they had six (6) picks in the top-72 in that year's draft, so they could toss away 30th overall (especially when they had #1 and #31) for Andersen. We aren't giving away a high pick for a goaltender. Nor are we giving away young players under team control for a long time (e.g., Nylander) for a stopgap in net. The opportunity cost is too high.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Mittelstadt for Holtby, Orpik and Trotz (culture trifecta).

You get Dahlin and Trotz makes you a defense and goaltending oriented club and Orpik whips your young defensemen into shape and you make the playoffs with a ~2 GAA guaranteed.

Orpik and Trotz are being added then the BUF player isn't Mittelstadt, it's Larsson.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Ullmark should be called up.

How to ruin a young goalie: make him the starter on a team with a putrid defense.

 

[Revelation]

Orpik and Trotz are being added then the BUF player isn't Mittelstadt, it's Larsson.

They're a net positive for Buffalo where they are.

Could be Nylander instead of Mittelstadt

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Every goaltender mentioned by that poster isn't going to cost a prime asset. That's the thing the Holtby Truthers are failing to understand: Holtby is a good goaltender - though this season should not be simply disregarded - but Buffalo is not going to pay a primo asset for a guy two years from UFA when it has holes up and down its system.

Despite being awful, we have only two selections in the top 93 picks this year. Two! We aren't in the position the Leafs were in when they acquired Andersen - they had six (6) picks in the top-72 in that year's draft, so they could toss away 30th overall (especially when they had #1 and #31) for Andersen. We aren't giving away a high pick for a goaltender. Nor are we giving away young players under team control for a long time (e.g., Nylander) for a stopgap in net. The opportunity cost is too high.

So what do you want them to do? Sign Bernier? Because That's no better and actually probably worse than Lehner

 

[is the answer jesus]

So what do you want them to do? Sign Bernier? Because That's no better and actually probably worse than Lehner

Hutton would be my first choice, but I'd be fine with a Bernier/Ulmark tandem next year. Costs us nothing but money. Bernier doesn't have to be better than Lehner the hope is Ulmark is.

 

[StephenPeat]

A team stat like wins is the hill you're going to die on? Weak. Gee, it's almost like the Caps score a ton more goals than Buffalo.

Lehner and Holtby had similar seasons, and Holtby was probably worse and was certainly not discernibly better than a guy the 31st place team may non-tender. We aren't giving up a top asset for Holtby. If some team is dumb enough to give up a 1st rounder for Holtby, then God bless, but it won't be Buffalo.

Face it bud, you were caught in some straight ignorance. Holtby and Lehner stopped almost exactly the same percentage of shots this season and Holtby faced 80 more shots. Yep Wins are a team stat. When one guy outdoes the other by 20 Wins those stats say at least a little about the player himself.

Also it's entirely possible, despite your histrionics that Buffalo was so bad because Lehner was bad and the Caps were decent because Holtby was decent. I don't think there's anyone on earth who would objectively take Lehner over Holtby.

That's the Truth, the Holtby Truth, and Nothing But the Holtby Truth.

 

[Zip15]

Face it bud, you were caught in some straight ignorance. Holtby and Lehner stopped almost exactly the same percentage of shots this season and Holtby faced 80 more shots. Yep Wins are a team stat. When one guy outdoes the other by 20 Wins those stats say at least a little about the player himself.

Also it's entirely possible, despite your histrionics that Buffalo was so bad because Lehner was bad and the Caps were decent because Holtby was decent. I don't think there's anyone on earth who would objectively take Lehner over Holtby.

That's the Truth, the Holtby Truth, and Nothing But the Holtby Truth.

Your feeble efforts at cobbling together a cogent argument almost aren't worth responding to anymore. You've got nothing. Guy with the lower SV% had a better season because his team scored more goals for him. Your Holtby trutherism is off the charts.

 

[StephenPeat]

Your feeble efforts at cobbling together a cogent argument almost aren't worth responding to anymore. You've got nothing. Guy with the lower SV% had a better season because his team scored more goals for him. Your Holtby trutherism is off the charts.

His save percentage was literally one tenth of a percentage point lower than Lehner's basically all other statistical measures favor Holtby. It equates to one less save in nearly 1000 shots. You either didn't bother to look the statistic up, read the statistic wrong, or (and I consider this most likely) you don't understand the concept of numbers. Face it, it's obvious to everyone you're point which never really existed is more trivial than you're willing to admit.

 

[Zip15]

His save percentage was literally one tenth of a percentage point lower than Lehner's basically all other statistical measures favor Holtby. It equates to one less save in nearly 1000 shots. You either didn't bother to look the statistic up, read the statistic wrong, or (and I consider this most likely) you don't understand the concept of numbers. Face it, it's obvious to everyone you're point which never really existed is more trivial than you're willing to admit.

What you fail to understand is that arguing over who the bigger turd was this year is irrelevant to the issue of whether Buffalo should pay a prime asset for a guy who, at best, had an equivalent season to Lehner, who we may non-tender.

Is this permeating your skull yet?

 

[StephenPeat]

What you fail to understand is that arguing over who the bigger turd was this year is irrelevant to the issue of whether Buffalo should pay a prime asset for a guy who, at best, had an equivalent season to Lehner, who we may non-tender.

Is this permeating your skull yet?

Nope you keep glossing over the 20 Wins. The seasons Holtby and Lehner had were not comparable.

 

[Zip15]

Nope you keep glossing over the 20 Wins. The seasons Holtby and Lehner had were not comparable.

So Holtby helps his team score goals? Again, your argument boils down to "Holtby's season was better because his team scored more goals for him than Lehner's team did, even though Lehner stopped a higher percentage of pucks."

Your argument is trash. Move on. You have nothing.

 

[StephenPeat]

So Holtby helps his team score goals? Again, your argument boils down to "Holtby's season was better because his team scored more goals for him than Lehner's team did, even though Lehner stopped a higher percentage of pucks."

Your argument is trash. Move on. You have nothing.

Your argument is that the statistically ~1 more save Lehner may have made had he faced the same number of shots as Holtby on the season suggest he had a better season. Keep going I'm enjoying how you're making yourself look.

And no Holtby doesn't help his team score goals. Guess what? There's more to winning than scoring goals and Holtby did more of it than Lehner.

 

[Zip15]

Your argument is that the statistically ~1 more save Lehner may have made had he faced the same number of shots as Holtby on the season suggest he had a better season. Keep going I'm enjoying how you're making yourself look.

And no Holtby doesn't help his team score goals. Guess what? There's more to winning than scoring goals and Holtby did more of it than Lehner.

My word you are dense.

Here's my argument, for the umpteenth time (not that you'll remember it by the time you hit the "reply" button): Buffalo is not giving up a prime asset for a goaltender who just had a worse season - at best, a statistically equivalent season - than a guy we are considering non-tendering. Get it yet? You're embarrassing yourself. Step away from your keyboard with some dignity.