dancingtree
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Does anyone know why Jay-Bo has relatively poor offensive numbers (3 goals + 5 assists in 23 games) this year in the AHL? I thought he would be racking up the points by now.
Vlad The Impaler said:Jay Bouwmeester is an awesome defenseman, no doubt about it. But his flaw is he doesn't take charge nearly often enough. You could put back this guy on a junior team right now and I'm not sure he would look dominant.
The flip side to this is, he is so talented you can put him on an elite squad (like a team Canada) and he isn't out of place at all. He can play with and against the very best.
All this to say, those stats in the AHL just reflect the fact he doesn't dominate and take charge. You could throw him in a world class tournament tomorrow and he'd be talented enough to play well.
I'm not worried at all by the stats, except I was hoping maybe someone would light a fire under his ass. If this guy could take charge... sky is the limit. Even if he remains as he is, he is still one of the safest youngster as far as developing into a star player at the highest level.
dancingtree said:Does anyone know why Jay-Bo has relatively poor offensive numbers (3 goals + 5 assists in 23 games) this year in the AHL? I thought he would be racking up the points by now.
J17ster said:Playing on San Antonio doesn't help. SA is good defensively but struggles to put the puck in the back of the net. As far as the future goes he is going to be a superstar. He could be the next Pronger but he needs to use his body a lot more. I see him challenging for a norris in the next 5 years though he may never win one.
mooseOAK said:If you can't dominate in the AHL, it is a long road to a Norris trophy.
But if you can dominate a World Cup, then the Norris could be a short road...mooseOAK said:If you can't dominate in the AHL, it is a long road to a Norris trophy.
J17ster said:Take into consideration that Bouwmeester is young, playing on a bad offensive team and seems to play to the level of the league. For instance he played very repectable in the world cup, was the best d-man at the world championships and increased is offensive production in about 30 games less. He has been hyped for years as the best defensive prospect in years. I think it is unfair to say he has had a bad season in the AHL. Just look at SA stats. Weiss is the top scorer and is well under a ppg. He is averaging the same ppg as he did in the NHL last season. Does that mean guys who are dominating the NHL like Kyle Wellwood are better than J-BO.
mooseOAK said:There are players who have the offensive skills and don't meet the height and weight requirements and there is the vice versa. If Bouwmeester is playing 30 minutes a game and on the PP, as I assume he is, the lack of offensive production for him and the team falls on his own shoulders to a large degree. Norris trophy candidates have the whole package of defence and offence.
If they're a bad offensive team I think that speaks volumes about Weiss, Horton, and Bouwmeester, does it not?J17ster said:Take into consideration that Bouwmeester is young, playing on a bad offensive team and seems to play to the level of the league. For instance he played very repectable in the world cup, was the best d-man at the world championships and increased is offensive production in about 30 games less. He has been hyped for years as the best defensive prospect in years. I think it is unfair to say he has had a bad season in the AHL. Just look at SA stats. Weiss is the top scorer and is well under a ppg. He is averaging the same ppg as he did in the NHL last season. Does that mean guys who are dominating the NHL like Kyle Wellwood are better than J-BO.
Jacobv2 said:If they're a bad offensive team I think that speaks volumes about Weiss, Horton, and Bouwmeester, does it not?
Jacobv2 said:If they're a bad offensive team I think that speaks volumes about Weiss, Horton, and Bouwmeester, does it not?
Not at all. It means their best players are 19 & 20 years old.Jacobv2 said:If they're a bad offensive team I think that speaks volumes about Weiss, Horton, and Bouwmeester, does it not?
J17ster said:Weiss, Horton and Bouwmeester are probably are best players down the line. All three are possible "franchise players". Believe me thats saying a lot as we have other guys like Stewart and Olesz in the pipe line. We have so much depth at foward.
Agree with this,he just does'nt take the bull by the horns enough.It's frustrating at times because he could be a norris guy for sure but i wonder if it's ever gonna happen,maybe when he matures and sees he has to take it upon himself for the team to take the next step he will do it.That's how i see him breaking out of it and asserting himself because you can tell he's a good team guy.He's sure not about glory so i can't see him taking control just out of desire.He is so talented(though i've never been totally sold on his blueline in offensive game,i find a guy like Pitkanen is the better young guy there) But you are right,you can put him on any world class team and he does'nt look out of place,he's just such a good skater,big and has great poise.The skys the limit if he decides to assert himself but will he?.But i think the guy could fall asleep out there and still become an all-star,but he should be so much more should'nt he? Oh well...he's still only 20 so lot's of time.Vlad The Impaler said:Jay Bouwmeester is an awesome defenseman, no doubt about it. But his flaw is he doesn't take charge nearly often enough. You could put back this guy on a junior team right now and I'm not sure he would look dominant.
The flip side to this is, he is so talented you can put him on an elite squad (like a team Canada) and he isn't out of place at all. He can play with and against the very best.
All this to say, those stats in the AHL just reflect the fact he doesn't dominate and take charge. You could throw him in a world class tournament tomorrow and he'd be talented enough to play well.
I'm not worried at all by the stats, except I was hoping maybe someone would light a fire under his ass. If this guy could take charge... sky is the limit. Even if he remains as he is, he is still one of the safest youngster as far as developing into a star player at the highest level.
CorneliusBennet said:Weiss is certiainly not a 'franchise player' in the least bit. Take off your Fla colored glasses. He may develop into a rather softish but talented 2nd line center but "franchise player?" Geez, talk about completely overrating your prospects.
J17ster said:Weiss is our second line center and i bet if there were a season he'd be a 2nd center on quite a number of teams. You're right in saying he may not be a franchise player but it isn't out of the question. I'm pretty sure Weiss will a good top line center and that isn't overating him. Weiss isn't a prospect anyway.
Dr.Sens(e) said:To further Vlad's point, I think a lot of people will be disappointed with Jay-Bo's offensive production. He isn't an assertive offensive force, despite his skating, and truth be told, he isn't that dynamic with the puck offensively either (although he's certainly solid and a great passer).
He'll be a slightly better skating version of Wade Redden IMO, with no better offensive numbers than Redden is putting up. I think because of his skating and size, he'll be slightly better defensively than Redden though.