Boston Globe:NHLPA OFFER

Discussion in 'The Business of Hockey' started by RangerBoy, Apr 3, 2005.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. RangerBoy

    RangerBoy TRUST THE PROCESS

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2002
    Messages:
    38,127
    Likes Received:
    1,476
    Trophy Points:
    214
    Location:
    New York
    Home Page:
    Kevin Paul Dupont of the Boston Globe mentioned the NHLPA stands ready to make an offer

    Word around the Original 30 last week was that the players' side, following up their recent executive jaw session in Pebble Beach, Calif., stands ready to make a substantive proposal at tomorrow's talks.

    According to one source familiar with what the union cobbled together in Pebble Beach, the key components might include, for the first time, a provision for a so-called franchise player. Aside to real puck nuts: Your faithful chronicler suggested precisely that element, as a means of kick-starting talks, in a Feb. 28 posting on HFboards.com


    Hey kpd/hoh :thumbu:

    Salary cap of $42 million (includes $39.8 million in salary and $2.2 million in benefits).

    Salary floor of $34 million.

    Franchise player, with neither salary nor benefits to be included in $42 million cap figure, but club to pay 50 percent tax.

    Unrestricted free agency lowered to age 27 from 31.

    Entry-level salaries to be capped at $1.2 million (including performance bonuses) per season.

    Qualifying offers for restricted free agents lowered to 75 percent (from current position of 110 or 100 percent, based on player's existing salary).

    Five-year limit on all individual contracts (currently no term restrictions).

    Team revenue sharing, of varying percentages, during regular season and playoffs.


    http://www.boston.com/sports/hockey/articles/2005/04/03/raised_stakes_for_sanderson?pg=2
     
  2. Tekneek

    Tekneek Registered User

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2004
    Messages:
    4,326
    Likes Received:
    10
    Trophy Points:
    96
    I'll never believe this is legit until it is revealed by the NHLPA or the NHL. If the NHL really wanted to get back into business, they would take this offer and open up shop. That's what makes me think it is bogus. I can't see them coming up with something like that and actually proposing it.
     
  3. Pepper

    Pepper Registered User

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2004
    Messages:
    14,532
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Please don't tell me even KDP is starting to quote Eklund...
     
  4. BobMckenzie

    BobMckenzie Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2003
    Messages:
    343
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    This is precisely the same material that was presented on MOJO 640 in Toronto on Friday and as I said on page 9 of that thread, I am completely satisfied there is no legitimacy to the details of this "proposal" -- the PA could not have shot it down with more force -- and I personally am not convinced there will even be a proposal per se on Monday when the two sides meet. Take that for what it's worth.

    Bob McKenzie
    TSN
     
  5. Pepper

    Pepper Registered User

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2004
    Messages:
    14,532
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Hey Bob, I know you can't reveal your sources but have you talked about this issue (offer or no offer tomorrow) with any of the PA "big guys"?
     
  6. thinkwild

    thinkwild Veni Vidi Toga

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2003
    Messages:
    8,796
    Likes Received:
    117
    Trophy Points:
    111
    Location:
    Ottawa
    It seems believable, and I'd hope that the NHLPA would want to present another offer. And unlike the league, a better one than before. Hard to be optimistic the owners will be any more receptive than before though.

    But i really dont like the concept of a franchise player tag. It seems so anti-hockey. Designed to split up the Orr-Espo, Sakic, Forsberg, Kariya Selanne, combo's. I just dont like the message it sends or its effect on team building. Any more than i like the incenting payrolls towards an average and maintaining it as a system. Such a narrow payroll range means you never rebuild to low or achieve to great. I cant imagine fans desiring that without the threat of losing a team over their heads.

    Is the timing right? Hard to see the harball course of events resolving itself at this point in time.
     
  7. BobMckenzie

    BobMckenzie Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2003
    Messages:
    343
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    The details of this supposed proposal were floating around Friday before they were posted on any blog sites. Some people choose to take this type of information and go with it as fact. For the record, I heard Marek and Watters characterize the information they presented as Friday as "what we hear might be in the proposal." They didn't present it as fact. When it didn't check out as factual for me, I just chose to do nothing with it. But when it ends up on a blog, it's amazing how many players end up with it. And then the players e-mail it or pass it along to other players or media, and the next thing you know it's being reported in the mainstream media as what the players are saying is in the proposal. The media business is a funny business and that's not funny ha ha so much as funny peculiar. Sometimes it's funny ha ha, but more often than not it's funny peculiar.
     
  8. rockon83

    rockon83 Registered User

    Joined:
    Mar 22, 2004
    Messages:
    271
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    64
    Location:
    Manhattan(MA native)
    speaking of hockey talk, do ANY of the canadian stations have local programming, ie hockey talk on sundays that can be listened to online? any of the fan or mojo stations, or any others?
     
  9. handtrick

    handtrick Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2004
    Messages:
    3,217
    Likes Received:
    13
    Trophy Points:
    96
    Occupation:
    hand surgeon
    Location:
    Chattanooga, TN

    bob....do you think some of the components were being sent up as a trial balloon or the whole thing is totally baseless?
     
  10. Vagabond

    Vagabond Registered User

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2004
    Messages:
    6,206
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    96
    Occupation:
    Subcontractor
    Location:
    Edmonton
    I too hope this is true, but.. like everything else, it's probably another farse.
     
  11. RangerBoy

    RangerBoy TRUST THE PROCESS

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2002
    Messages:
    38,127
    Likes Received:
    1,476
    Trophy Points:
    214
    Location:
    New York
    Home Page:
    Not exactly.Some of the concepts might be the same but the figures are different.Reading something on a message board or on a blog is different than reading it in the Boston Globe

    Isn't it about time the NHLPA submitted a new offer? :(
     
  12. Pepper

    Pepper Registered User

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2004
    Messages:
    14,532
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Why? Their last 'offer' (for lack of better term) was only what 4 months ago?? :shakehead
     
  13. on the boards

    on the boards Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2005
    Messages:
    133
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Bob, FWIW, Ekfraud had posted this "insider info" on his blog Thursday-- the components to the NHPA counter proposal. No intention of giving that jerk any kudos, but the first place I saw it was on his stir up the crap blog-- it's only been since Friday that media outlets have been reporting the same info..
     
  14. kremlin

    kremlin Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2003
    Messages:
    854
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Home Page:
    Well, if this is the offer, it will be rejected within seconds.
     

  15. Owners wouldnt take that even if it was real. Most owners didnt even want 42 on the table to start with. They sure as hell arent gonna take a worse offer then what the PA countered with before the season was canceled.
     
  16. firstroundbust

    firstroundbust lacks explosiveness

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2004
    Messages:
    5,641
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Parts Unknown
    whoa, bob mckenzie posts here?

    hey bob, go for the rosie odonnell avatar!
     
  17. nomorekids

    nomorekids The original, baby

    Joined:
    Feb 28, 2003
    Messages:
    33,358
    Likes Received:
    87
    Trophy Points:
    176
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Nashville, TN
    Home Page:
    A) I don't and won't believe this is an actual proposal until it's formally introduced as one.

    B) Even if it WAS real, I'd be shocked if it was accepted. As documented over in the other thread over and over, the franchise player exemption provides for teams to spend in the neighborhood of 50 million dollars. Also, the UFA age is extremely low. I'd not be surprised to see it lowered...but not by 4 years. 29 is a more reasonable, workable number.
     
  18. Munchausen

    Munchausen Guest

    42M + franchise tag = back to 49M proposal or just about, so absolutely no progress as far as the cap number is concerned. Of course, the PA counts on revenue sharing to be able to boost the cap that high, but if the owners don't want revenue sharing in the form the PA is proposing, this number will be rejected in a nano-second.

    What is an improvement would be the 75% QO, Baseball style arbitration and 1.2M rookie cap including bonuses (BTW, aren't those 3 points very close to what was in the 42.5M final offer from the league, and supposedly the reason why everything fell appart in the meeting of the 2nd chance to save the season? Maybe I'm mistaking, but if it is, their allegedly "much farther appart than we thought" claimed by Saskin was nothing but smoke.

    Of course, I don't beleive those are the exact numbers that will come in an enventual counter (if there's ever one), but to me, it seems logical that the remaining battle will be on revenue sharing, since the PA probably realizes by now that there is no way they will ever get a high cap/floor number without it. So in other words, it's up to the big market teams to cave or not on that aspect if they want a deal, since they are likely the ones that will end up paying most of the sharing money.
     
  19. Jarqui

    Jarqui Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2003
    Messages:
    1,860
    Likes Received:
    6
    Trophy Points:
    86
    Home Page:
    in 2003-4, the average team salary was roughly around $44 mil. The NHLPA knocked 24% of that to get to a 'reaonable" starting point on Dec 9th. 24% off $44 mil is $33 mil. Therefore, based upon 2003-4 revenues, the teams must average $33 mil to maintain the start up point the NHLPA agreed they should have.

    To start out with a $34 mil floor, (ignoring the franchise player for the moment), when everyone knows revenues will take a hit from losing the season, is total nonsense and a waste of everyone's time.

    The best case is a drop of 10% in NHL revenue for next season. Baseball fell 20%. Any proposal that comes in higher than $30 mil average team payroll will not and can not be taken seriously by the NHL.

    Screw the caps and revenue sharing etc in terms of numbers to cling to. The NHL league is down to affording a $900 mil payroll. Whatever caps, revenue sharing, taxes, etc,etc yoone wants, the numbers have to end up around $900 total and maximum.
     
  20. txpd

    txpd Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2003
    Messages:
    53,179
    Likes Received:
    516
    Trophy Points:
    214
    Home Page:
    Actually, I think it has less to do with breaking up Sakic and Forsberg than it is about one team having 2 max payroll players like Sakic and Forsberg and then trading for two more max payroll players like Blake and Roy. Its that stuff that tilts the league totally off balance. The Red Wings have Cujo. Do they really need to go out and sign Hasek too? They have Lidstrom and Chelios. Do they really need to go out and sign Schneider and Hatcher too?

    by the way...I think its very possible for a team to fit one $8-10m player under the $40m hard cap and sign another $8-10m "franchise player". Seems to me that these proposed rules would not breakup Sakic and Forsberg.
     
  21. chiavsfan

    chiavsfan Registered User

    Joined:
    Mar 15, 2004
    Messages:
    4,426
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    Radio News Director
    Location:
    Chicagoland, IL
    Home Page:
    It would be rejected in a second as the salary floor is WAY too high for some teams. I still dont think the cap number would be all that terrible, but a floor just a few million under what the owners want as a CAP? I don't think so
     
  22. Kritter471

    Kritter471 Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2005
    Messages:
    7,714
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Occupation:
    Staff Writer
    Location:
    Dallas
    Even though it appears this proposal is bogus, rejecting an aspect of the proposal doesn't mean they'd reject the entire thing. The owners are well with their right to accept (and if this system was proposed, they'd be stupid not to accept) things like the baseball style arbitration and the 75% qualifying offers while offering to negotiate the UFA age up and the salary floor down.
     
  23. R0CKET

    R0CKET Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2004
    Messages:
    320
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Well if that's the case it seems like the players appear to be working the media thru the internet, which by itself would seem like a useful thing for them to do.

    But as a proposal real or not-so-real, does this really have the look af a game saving idea to get these 2 waring sides to lay down their weopons and get back to this game? I don't see it by a long shot, but then again I'm just some hockey-crazed dreg sitting behind the monitor with a high-speed internet connection...
     
  24. Trizent

    Trizent Registered User

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2005
    Messages:
    1,945
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    86
    Location:
    Oil Country
    The best Hockey show on Sundays is on LEAFTV "The Reporters". It is 2 hours long of hockey talk. Sorry it isn't available online, but just a heads up for those in Ontario ...
     
  25. mooseOAK*

    mooseOAK* Guest

    What about the salary rollback, major issue if it is included or not.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page

monitoring_string = "358c248ada348a047a4b9bb27a146148"