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Confirmed with Link: Borowiecki Signs 2 Years AAV of $1.2 million ($1.2M in both years)

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  1. Cosmix

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    McCormick is more of an energy agitator type of player. The team needs some big time muscle policeman who can play 4th Line minutes and not be a defensive liability.
     
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    Yeah, I just figured McCormick would take on some of the fighting responsibilities, but he’s not a policeman as you say. Either way, I’d like to see Boro fight less going forward.
     
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    Story of the sens season is cutting McCormick and then somehow having players worse than McCormick.
     
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    Yeah i dont understand that....Macormick isnt anything special,but he at least tries harder than some of the slop we have on the bottom line...I think he can be a solid grinder/agitator that can pot 10 goals
     
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    No they don't. Why would we need a "muscle policeman"? Look at the top teams, they rarely have a guy who can just be tough.
     
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    Nope you have to be able to play a role,the days of the decicated enforcer are done...But you do still need some grit,as well as a player or two that can be a counter to teams, that play over physical against you
     
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    My point is no team should have any McCormick’s or any players worse than him. Dumont burrows McCormick should never have even been near this team
     
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    Meh ,I think Macormick will be a solid 4th line player..Gritty,plays C/LW,has PK experience,can find the net from time to time....

    Besides we really dont know how good he will be or bad until we give him a fair shake...He should be every night right now
     
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    I really disliked McCormick in his first callup. But he's been an acceptable plug in this last one. I think lots of teams probably have similar quality 13th forwards, but that's just me.
     
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    Yeah, but that's not the "muscle policeman" that I was responding to. You can have guys who are gritty, but they need to produce and skate.
     
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    Teams shouldn’t have “solid 4th line players”. Because there’s probably better players out there for similar money.
     
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    The nhl is not a league where it’s smart to say “I think other teams have the same” because A. GMs aren’t hat smart B. Coaches love bad fourth liners.

    Acceptable plug, to me, is someone who can be replaced easily. At any time. For little money.
     
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    This all seems to stem from the premise that there is a wealth of capable skilled guys out there that would do a better job if not for stuborn coaches and GMs keeping them down. I'm not so sure that's true. I've seen lots of skilled guys just not cut it at the nhl level. I'm not saying coaches and GMs are always right, but the inverse would also be incorrect, coaches and GMs aren't always wrong either.
     
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    When he is playing third pair, yes, as having a D in the penalty box for extended time is not a good thing unless you dress a competent 7th D every game.
     
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    You missed the key condition ”not a defensive liability”. I am not proposing “a guy who can just be tough”.

    This team needs some physical players who can intimidate opposing teams with their physical play and be very difficult to play against (not a defensive liability).

    Right now this team is too soft. Conn Smith got it right!

    Sure it would be great to have a team composed of great offensive talent, but that would be expensive. I would like to see some more physical players on this team. Plus some PK specialists on the 4th Line.
     
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    You know who's not hat smart?

    This guy.

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    I don’t get your first point at all, but moving past that for a moment, who can you find who is good at 650k? Isn’t that the league minimum?

    McCormick is fine as a 13th forward. He doesn’t make much, and he’ll work hard for us. You can argue he shouldn’t have a one way next year, but he does. It’s not the worst thing in the world.
     
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    Again, I disagree. Physicality is not the issue with this team. Look at the top teams, they are not physical. They are quick and skilled. What I want is a fourth line that is quick, gritty, but can also score. In the new NHL all four lines need to have some scoring ability.

    Getting a "tough" guy who is not a defensive liability, but is a black hole offensively will do absolutely nothing for this team.
     
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    nhl coaches and GMs aren't always right and they aren't always wrong but the real question is are they right or wrong more frequently than HF Sens?
     
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    This team is lacking in all kinds of ways including toughness and physicality. We lost a ton of toughness recently with Methot, Neil and Phaneuf all gone. We need to build a tougher and more skilled team for next season.

    We will also likely see a bunch of prospects make the jump next season. Paul, White, Chlapik, Brown, Formenton, Gagne and Batherson will all be pushing for spots. Plus if we draft Dahlin, Svechnikov, Zafina or Tkachuk they could make the team as well. We need some toughness to give those prospects some space. Jordan Nolan and Ryan Reaves are both capable 4th liners and would be ideal targets as they won't cost much and can actually play and skate.
     
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    Again ,we dont know what he is ...Can he play a 4th line role??/Could he be a better younger ZSmith???Thats the point ,we need to let him play to find out
     
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    Well I mean other than the fact I hate comparing our mistakes to other mistakes like “oh yeah we made it but other teams make it”. Look at this year alone. We went out and got “serviceable fourth line players”. And guess what. That’s just hockey speak for “guy who isn’t very good”. They’re all gone. Except burrows. I suspect with McCormick we will always look at him and think there are better players out there for the same money. Probably even within our own organization. Although not if randy lee can help it
     
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    “Fourth line role” = guys who get dummied every shift but take no blame because of the term “fourth line role”.
     
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    McCormick literally has the lowest salary allowable... it's pretty slip pickings at that salary. You got McCormick, Paul and O'Brien, none of which stand out from one another.
     
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    I disagree with the bold. The top teams do play physical when the intensity goes up. Nashville, Pittsburgh, Winnipeg, Anaheim, Philly, Boston all can play a brand of physical hockey when necessary (ie. the playoffs). Toronto and Tampa (who have Callahan and Killorn for a reason) haven't won anything yet and any longtime fan of the Sens will remember some really skilled Ottawa teams being put to the test by a more physical opponent.

    I'm by no means saying bring back the goons but you don't seem to have physicality on your priority list at all. That's a mistake imo as physical play can be a bit of an equalizer for an underdog.
     

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