Discussion in 'NHL Draft - Prospects' started by 190Octane, Oct 3, 2005.
Who would you take and why?
Dustin Brown Cause hes a better skater.
Pretty much sums it up.
Ryan, hard to argue against a player picked 2nd after Crosby.
We won't really know for 5 years though. Obviously right now Brown is better since he is an NHLer but in the long run Ryan's upside is higher.
Ducks have a tendency to draft guys that have skating issues and by the time they make it pro they skate just fine. (see Lupul, Getzlaf, Perry)
Being drafted after Crosby really means absolutely nothing. The 2003 draft was much better than 05. I get the feeling that his draft postion is the only thing you are basing this "higher upside" on as well.
Sure they may skate fine once they get to the NHL, but that still doesn't make them great skaters. And when you are talking about two players who play a similar game, and have similar skills, the better skater wins out everytime.
Yeah it means something. We all know how good the 03 draft was, but the fact is Ryan is one of those players that doesn't come along very often either. His potential is clearly higher than Browns.
how about which player has a better shot and is more creative with the puck, I'd take that over better skater.
We're talking Bobby Ryan here. He's good, but he ain't no second coming. Brown's shot easily rivals Ryan's. Creativty with the puck? Good lord you make it sound like he's Mario Lemiuex. Get a grip. While Brown is more of a north south player, the difference between the two is not that great. It's not as though Ryan can dipsy-doodle through a whole team or thread the needle like Oates. He has slightly better vision. Brown's skating is far, far better.
Pat Falloon was drafted right after Eric Lindros. What does that mean to you?
Draft position means jack.
I wouldn't say Brown's game is like Ryan's at all. I also think you're shortchanging Ryan's skillset a bit here. Brown is one of my favorite prospects, but he's definately a notch below Ryan skill-wise. Yes, he's a better skater than Ryan, but Ryan is also considerably bigger and more powerful.
I think I've heard that somehwere but I just can't put a finger on where exactly.
I'd take Ryan based on his offensive creativity. He's slow on his skates but that's only one knock against him; He can take shots himself and he's also a gritty playmaker that can take a ton of abuse. His heads on straight and always has the team before him mentality which I love. The skating is his only real flaw, otherwise he's pretty good all around.
Ryan has much higher upside, Brown is much more likely to reach his upside.
If both reach their potential this wouldn't even be an issue, Ryan would be head & shoulders above Brown but since things rarely go according to the plan, it's hard to say which one to pick.
well I wouldnt be surprised if Bobby Ryan one day rips it up. Back in 2003, Dustin Brown was in the same levels of Bobby Ryan. Potential top pick. I ment like, Bobby Ryan would have went anywhere between, 2-5, the same with Dustin Brown. He dropped to 11, but he could have went number 2 as well, because of his scoring abilities. He was regarded as one of the best prospects going into the 2003 draft.
Brown and Ryan are very different players.
And I would take them both.
IMO, comparing these two players, who are very different and far apart in NHL-readiness, is just looking to start a fight between Ducks and Kings fans. The only reason I see for a Ducks fan to post this is to hope that unbiased readers pick the Ducks player over the Kings player, providing a boost to the egos of Ducks fans and a blow to the egos of Kings fan. Is this really necessary?
I'm a big ryan fan... i'd take him anyday.
I haven't seen Brown but I've been to a few Owen Sound games and Bobby Ryan is amazing. His skating isn't as bad as adverstised and his combination of imposing size, elite skill, and creativity is awesome.
I have to wonder how much you guys have watched Ryan play. Both are potential power forwards but play a different style, Ryans offensive upside is higher.
Ryan easily. Skating is the only question mark on Ryan, and considering every other Ducks prospect with bad skating seems to improve, I'd say it's a non-issue.
Easily the best post in this thread
Couldn't of said it better myself - Oh well let the ducks have their ego talks
It will be in the future. Ryan's game is different, but his moves are not going to fly in the NHL the way they do in juniors.
id take brown
He was actually considered a reach at 2 if i'm not mistaken. Many thought he would be taken 5-10.
What moves are those? His toe drag? Ryan's game is predicated on the fact that he's as strong as an ox coupled with elite skill. By the time he makes the NHL he'll likely be 6'3'' 230 lbs. I think that will "fly" at that level.