Value of: Bobby Ryan (40% ret) and Ottawa 1st from NYR

[Lindberg Cheese]

Assuming Ottawa has 5OA after lottery, what does it take from the NYR?

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[stempniaksen]

Not worth giving up a top-five pick for Ryan at almost 50% retention.

Also doubt the Senators are looking to move that pick at all if it falls that high since it will be their highest pick in a very long time (I'm thinking Spezza in 01, but I could be blanking on someone else).

 

[boredmale]

If Ottawa was willing to eat 40% I am guessing he would have positive value for some team

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

what’s the status on Clarke’s LTIR. Is he done for good or temporary? If NYR take on that cost, it puts 7.5+ mil back into Melnyks pocket. Would the 5OA stop Melnyk from reaching for the cash?

 

[Mike Jones]

Doesn't Ryan have an NMC or NTC or something like that? Would he want to waive it for a deal to the Rangers?

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Doesn't Ryan have an NMC or NTC or something like that? Would he want to waive it for a deal to the Rangers?

Don’t think it would be a problem, he’s from South Jersey is originally.

 

[Zorf]

MacArthur is on LTIR with 80% of his salary paid by insurance. That leaves the Senators paying something in the range of $900K per year themselves to MacArthur.

Bobby Ryan at 40% retained (unless I'm wrong) works out to $4.35M per season, and for what he brings, especially when healthy, would be pretty damn good value at $4.35M. Ottawa adding a 5OA pick is bananas. What would NYR have to offer for any of that?

 

[Mike Jones]

Don’t think it would be a problem, he’s from South Jersey is originally.

Fair enough - it does get him closer to home.

 

[Ouroboros]

What a great opportunity for the Senators to put 12 million dollars of totally dead money on their budget and to give up the highest draft pick they've had in 15 years!

Very appealing offer.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

What a great opportunity for the Senators to put 12 million dollars of totally dead money on their budget and to give up the highest draft pick they've had in 15 years!

Very appealing offer.

What a great opportunity for the Senators to put 12 million dollars of totally dead money on their budget and to give up the highest draft pick they've had in 15 years!

Very appealing offer.

What matters most to Melnyk, the cap budget or putting 14-15 mil in his Pocket? We have to ask ourselves would a guy like Melnyk let a 5OA get in his way of saving that money?

 

[rent free]

bobby ryan at 60 percent is a 4.35 million cap hit
brendan smith also has a 4.35 million dollar cap hit when he's in the nhl
4.35+4.35=8.7
sidney crosby has a cap hit of 8.7 million dollars
therefore, brendan smith + bobby ryan = sidney crosby

/thread

 

[gorangers0525]

Melnyck may be cheap, but I don’t think any owner is that cheap.

Taking Bobby Ryan no retention probably gets a decent piece, but I don’t think even that gets 5OA even if Rangers add a few nice pieces.

 

[TheBradyBunch]

Why does Ryan have negative value at 4.3mil?

He has scored at a 50+pt pace since coming to Ottawa. Not only that, but he's a good chance generator and forechecker even when he's not scoring.

It makes no sense. Ryan 40% ret. + 5th-10th OV might return something like Dylan Strome.

 

[TGWL]

Daydream believer.

If the pick was 20+, maybe sens think about this. Top 10, absolutely not, especially with 40% .

 

[eternalbedhead]

What matters most to Melnyk, the cap budget or putting 14-15 mil in his Pocket? We have to ask ourselves would a guy like Melnyk let a 5OA get in his way of saving that money?

The "this team's management is garbage so they'd make a bad trade like this" defense has been tried innumerable times already. It doesn't work.

 

[haveandare]

Why does Ryan have negative value at 4.3mil?

He has scored at a 50+pt pace since coming to Ottawa. Not only that, but he's a good chance generator and forechecker even when he's not scoring.

It makes no sense. Ryan 40% ret. + 5th-10th OV might return something like Dylan Strome.

Imo, no way Ottawa moves a top pick to save a portion of Ryan's contract, and also no way Ryan and that pick return a quality player. Strome in particular maybe since he's kind of stalled, but if you're using Strome as an example of a young quality prospect in general, that's equally and opposite levels of unlikely to the original proposal.

 

[Flameshomer]

Ryan and Ottawa's 1st (no retention) to CGY for Brouwer + Kylington.

 

[TheBradyBunch]

Imo, no way Ottawa moves a top pick to save a portion of Ryan's contract, and also no way Ryan and that pick return a quality player. Strome in particular maybe since he's kind of stalled, but if you're using Strome as an example of a young quality prospect in general, that's equally and opposite levels of unlikely to the original proposal.

Is Strome that much more valuable than the 5th OV pick that a 50 pt winger at 4.3mil isn't enough added value? I suspect there are some NHL GM's who would rather the 5th overall pick on its own and I can't see why Ryan would have negative value with almost half of his remaining contract retained.

 

[tradenashnow]

Nobody wants Ryan. Just stop already.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Dumb

 

[beowulf]

Op is really reaching with this one. No way the Sens would do that unless it was a huge return.

 

[haveandare]

Is Strome that much more valuable than the 5th OV pick that a 50 pt winger at 4.3mil isn't enough added value? I suspect there are some NHL GM's who would rather the 5th overall pick on its own and I can't see why Ryan would have negative value with almost half of his remaining contract retained.

Thats what I meant by the Strome comment. Strome in particular is an odd case because he's kind of stalled at a strange stage in his career. If you mean him specifically, maybe that's doable. If you mean someone like him, as in another young high pick who hasn't broken through yet, probably not realistic.

Also, Ryan being on pace for 50 is a fraction of the story. He's getting older, has been hurt, and put up 25 points last year. This year he'll maybe put up 35. He's trending down and has 4 more years at a huge cap hit. Imo he holds very, very little value even at 4.3 unless it's to a team really trying to reach the floor.

 

[FameFlame069]

Ryan and Ottawa's 1st (no retention) to CGY for Brouwer + Kylington.

I'd second this.

 

[Lays]

I’d take on Ryan at full price+1st for something
Ryan isn’t good but we need players to fill spots and let our young guys develop their game and not be rushed, if Zucc is traded Buchnevich and Fast become our top 2 RW.

 

[NYR Viper]

What about:

Bobby Ryan (at full contract) + Alex Burrows + Clarke MacArthur (LTIR, Rangers assume the real dollars owed) + OTT 1st '18

for

Brendan Smith
Matt Beleskey


Salary cap wise:
Year 1
$7.25m + $2.5m + $0m for $4.35m + $1.9m = Net -$3.5m in favor of OTT

Year 2
$7.25m + $0m for $4.35m + $1.9m = Net -$1m in favor of OTT

Year 3
$7.25m for $4.35m = Net -$2.9m in favor of OTT

Year 4
$7.25m for $0m = Net -$7.25m in favor of OTT


Real Dollars:
Year 1
$7.5m + $2.5m + 0.9m = $4.525m + $2m = Net -$4.375m in favor of OTT

Year 2
$7.5m + 0.9m = $4.525m + $1.5m = Net -$2.375m in favor of OTT

Year 3
$7.5m = $3.35m = Net -$4.15m in favor of OTT

Year 4
$7.5m = $0m = Net -$7.5m in favor of OTT

Ottawa saves $18.4m in real $$ over the lengths of all of the contracts. This also assumes that the smaller contracts of Smith and Beleskey aren't eventually swapped elsewhere for further cap savings.