Discussion in 'The History of Hockey' started by Tookhavlatandtanguay*, Dec 29, 2005.
I've never seen Hull play so uh Bure I guess... I remember he was damn fast his first shift.
Bobby wasn't too shabby, but this is really a no-contest. Pavel in his prime was about as fast as it got.
I had a chance to watch Hull in training camp in 1960 and he was fast but I would put Bure as even quicker.
The two faster players I have seen were Gene Carr (some pick him as the fastest skater all-time) and Bobby Orr who seemed to have a supersonic overdrive.
Also honourable emtion would have to go to Willie O'Ree the first black player in the NHL. I saw him play minor pro in the WHL and he was unbelievably quick.
Would be hard to compare with equipment being so much heavier back in Hull's day.
I think a better comparison would be Bure vs. Cournoyer. I mean they didnt call him the "roadrunner" for nothing back then. that would be close I'd have to say. Cournoyer was the fastest at his time I would say, and Bure at his.
There's two goals each of them got once that just flat out showed their speed. For Cournoyer it was in game 2 of the '72 Summit Series. Brad Park fed a pass to him on the right wing and it was a perfect pass that caught the Soviet defenseman off guardand Cournoyer just blew by him and put it past Tretiak. Anyone who knows that one knows what I mean. he made the Russian defense look ponderous.
For Bure it was a goal he got in his prime. It's actually on Don Cherry's Rock em Sock Em #6, but it was a game vs. Detroit and Bure picks up a loose puck at his blue line and just flies into the Detroit end going past Lidstrom and then roofing the puck top shelf. It was a goal based on pure speed. It happened so fast, I dont think I've ever seen a player skate so fast from end to end.
Those two guys are better to compare. I'd still take Bure, but barely. Bure is really second to none I'm afraid. Also Bure is well over Hull. Hull was fast but not Bure fast.
I am curious as to where those who pick Bure as the fastest are getting their evidence from. Hull was recorded at a speed in excess of 29 mph. It was in the Guiness Book of records and I don't believe that they put stuff in without some support to back it up. I have never heard of Bure's speed being tested. The only player I remember being tested to see if he could better Hull's record is Bobby Sheehan and he failed.
There is no evidence that Bure was faster than Hull.
Konstantin Koltsov is just as fast as those guys were
Now if only he could have the hands that go with it... *sigh*
According to Cournoyer the fastest player he ever played against was Gene Carr who had his career cut short by injury.
Who do you think the fastest skater is now?
I would have to give it to maxim afinogenov, damn that kid can fly.
As quoted earlier, Konstantin Koltsov, he was the one player I wanted the Avs to pick up most just because of his flat out amazing speed. If he could just make a move here or there he'd be quite the player in the NHL.
Jason Chimera is also incredibly fast. Again, no hands, but he can straight up fly.
I think we have strayed from the question: Who was faster Bobby Hull Or Bure. I have seen them both play & the answer is Hull.
there is absolutely NOTHING in the guinness book about hull skating 29 mph.
It may not be in the current edition but It certainly was in older editions, along with his shot speed I have also seen it quoted in other places. Several years ago Bobby Sheehan made an attempt to beat but failed & Bobby Sheehan was fast.
I'm not sure about who had more outright speed. For all the talk about Bure's speed, he never (to my knowledge) won the fastest skater competition at the all-star skills contest. I'd say in terms of pure speed, Gartner Niedermayer, Fedorov and Bondra were all faster.
But in terms of speed with the puck on his stick, Bure is the fastest I have ever seen. The puck did not slow him down. Most players slow down a little (or in some cases, a lot) when they have the puck. Not Bure. It was one of his greatest attributes, and one of the factors that made him such a threat offensively.
As for who was better? That's easy. Bobby Hull.
Didn't Chimera break the NHL record for the fastest skater? I remember hearing something about that back when he was with the Oilers.