Blue Jackets going to be the only pro team game in Columbus? Crew moving to Austin possibly

[Acesolid]

So does the CFL.

We are getting off topic, but just for the record:

An average attendance number in a 34 games season for... say 26 teams in a couple of years. Is worth A LOT more then the same attendance number in an 18 games season for 9 teams.

 

[Bixby Snyder]

We are getting off topic, but just for the record:

An average attendance number in a 34 games season for... say 26 teams in a couple of years. Is worth A LOT more then the same attendance number in an 18 games season for 9 teams.

Okay, cool. I still don't consider the MLS major league.

 

[BKIslandersFan]

Weather MLS is considered major league or not, it's not immune to teams playing cities off eachother for better stadium deals/new ones or they just pack up and leave as this is what this is all about.

Another way to make owners richer and once the expansion process to 28 teams is done, whoever doesn't get teams will be used as leverage as the first 'Soccer Specific Stadium' is approaching 20 years of age.....can't have that now can we.

Another reason why MLS is resisting on going to promotion-relegation system.

Pro Rel won’t necessarily stop relocating teams and exploiting citie for better stadiums. See MK Dons.

 

[Terrier]

Columbus may end up with two pro teams, the Jackets and Buckeye football. The New England Revolution aren't going anywhere, including Boston.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I know the whole minor v major is a dumb insecure sports fan thing anyway, but what is NPB or KBO then? Liga MX? The future Canadian OK?

I don't know what Canadian OK is.

NPB, KBO, Liga MX, are all the major leagues in their respective countries. Not sure what else you could call it, without abandoning the major/minor nomenclature.

 

[ek93]

I know this isn't the point of the thread, but there would still be a "pro team" besides the Blue Jackets. The Indians' triple-a team, the Clippers, is still there.

 

[cutchemist42]

I don't know what Canadian OK is.

NPB, KBO, Liga MX, are all the major leagues in their respective countries. Not sure what else you could call it, without abandoning the major/minor nomenclature.

Ugh, The new Android update has a brutal spell check for acronyms....meant Canadian PL.

 

[YEM]

pretty shady how MLS & Don Garber were pushing for this move behind closed doors when they got a new "owner" a few years ago...screw these owners for demanding public money for new stadiums

 

[tarheelhockey]

Ugh, The new Android update has a brutal spell check for acronyms....meant Canadian PL.

The Canada/USA thing gets a little weird. I could consider the CFL a minor league of the NFL, and I assume (maybe wrongly) the Canadian PL will be a sort of feeder to MLS.

 

[Mightygoose]

If you consider NPB, KBO, Liga MX major leagues in their respective countries, then the CFL would have to be considered a major league here as well. Plus Canadian football is a different sport (though similar) to American football so it would be the highest level here. In addition, no NFL teams has an affiliation with a CFL club

Similarly, the future CPL would not be a feeder to MLS, just like MLS is not a feeder to the EPL, La Liga etc...

I agree though the definition of major league is subject to interpretation. I think it's more of a North American term anyways.

 

[cutchemist42]

Have seen some suggesting this is a sign MLS wants Cincy to be their Ohio MLS club.

Others saying ts also a big sign that MLS now knows it has the racket power that the other NA leagues have. Multiple cities bidding for expansion, and cities playing off each other for relocation and stadiums.

Depending on the market, 20 years wont cut it now for a stadiums life??

 

[PCSPounder]

Should have wrote pro team. In a way, Austin is a similar kind of city.

As conceited as "the" Ohio State University is, it doesn't have oil wells bequeathed to it and its own cable sports network (no matter it's not doing so well) and a pesky habit of keeping minor league teams out of town the way UT does in Austin.

IOW, cut is quite right, but Austin uses more steroids, if that seems possible.

So I really tend to think that any sort of stadium proposal in Austin will either have to have UT's blessing, or will end up way in the northern suburbs like the indoor arena in Cedar Park or the ballpark in Round Rock. I think Anthony Precourt is fooling himself IF he thinks Austin would be an improvement.

I could go on for several paragraphs about this, but not now. MLS already has a "Texas problem." This obviously doesn't smell right, but I'm just a step short of believing Columbus should call Precourt's bluff. I'm still waiting to see what Precourt expects out of Austin.

 

[Brock Radunske]

What is the Columbus Crew? Soccer?
Oh dear, what a loss...

 

[cutchemist42]

As conceited as "the" Ohio State University is, it doesn't have oil wells bequeathed to it and its own cable sports network (no matter it's not doing so well) and a pesky habit of keeping minor league teams out of town the way UT does in Austin.

IOW, cut is quite right, but Austin uses more steroids, if that seems possible.

So I really tend to think that any sort of stadium proposal in Austin will either have to have UT's blessing, or will end up way in the northern suburbs like the indoor arena in Cedar Park or the ballpark in Round Rock. I think Anthony Precourt is fooling himself IF he thinks Austin would be an improvement.

I could go on for several paragraphs about this, but not now. MLS already has a "Texas problem." This obviously doesn't smell right, but I'm just a step short of believing Columbus should call Precourt's bluff. I'm still waiting to see what Precourt expects out of Austin.

r/MLS dont even see the other 2 Texas teams as big successes, and many are questioning how Austin does any better?

On the other hand, Austin was basically sitting as the next big American city to not have pro sports. (I know I know, UT) and I had wondered who would be the 1st to seriously consider it.

If you think Columbus and Austin are similar decent markets with major college programs, the difference is Columbus has the NHL and Austin has none.

Honestly, this move might help the Jackets a bit right??

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

r/MLS dont even see the other 2 Texas teams as big successes, and many are questioning how Austin does any better?

On the other hand, Austin was basically sitting as the next big American city to not have pro sports. (I know I know, UT) and I had wondered who would be the 1st to seriously consider it.

If you think Columbus and Austin are similar decent markets with major college programs, the difference is Columbus has the NHL and Austin has none.

Honestly, this move might help the Jackets a bit right??

ABSOLUTELY A FALSE STATEMENT, Austin's hockey history is owned by WHO, Dallas is it not

 

[Mightygoose]

Pro Rel won’t necessarily stop relocating teams and exploiting citie for better stadiums. See MK Dons.

That's a very good point and example.

The main different in a pro/rel system a group can start another team in the vacant market, I believe AFC Wimbledon was the new team. They start at the lowest rung and play their way back up.

Columbus could only get a team back via expansion or relocation.

 

[End on a Hinote]

I found it interesting how the MLS, a league where roughly 1/3 of the teams are in markets that have only 1 of the big 4 teams, never had a team in a city that didn't have any of them.

 

[tarheelhockey]

ABSOLUTELY A FALSE STATEMENT,

... what part of it?

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

... what part of it?

it's akin to saying Charlotte isn't an NHL Market, when in fact Carolina through ownership placed a franchise there.... Austin is Stars territory, just as it's not named Austin.

 

[AdmiralsFan24]

Also, MLS has higher attendance then the NHL (over less games, but still!).

Average NHL arena capacity - 18,276

Average MLS stadium capacity - 23,630

And that's with the reduced capacity of 7 teams playing in baseball/football stadium. So yeah, MLS teams should average more fans because their stadiums on average can seat 5,000 more than the NHL.

 

[AdmiralsFan24]

it's akin to saying Charlotte isn't an NHL Market, when in fact Carolina through ownership placed a franchise there.... Austin is Stars territory, just as it's not named Austin.

Charlotte isn't an NHL market, it's an AHL market. Are you saying that San Antonio is Avalanche territory currently?

 

[CHRDANHUTCH]

Charlotte isn't an NHL market, it's an AHL market. Are you saying that San Antonio is Avalanche territory currently?

and every fan wants Milwaukee upgraded, but it's not based in reality

 

[AdmiralsFan24]

and every fan wants Milwaukee upgraded, but it's not based in reality

You love to throw random things out there, somebody calls you on it and then you completely changed the subject. Your reply makes no sense, at all.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

What I was told by someone who works for the Patriots in player evaluation - CFL offensive numbers mean little as they are accomplished against defenses that are mostly all Canadian. AFL numbers mean more because you have hungry players on both side of the line.

The CFL survives today mainly because TSN needed them after losing national rights to hockey and baseball to Sportsnet.

Then that guy has no idea what he is talking about. Most canadian starters tend to be on the offensive side of the ball. In general teams have 3-4 O-Line, 1-2 WR that are canadian. Then 1-3 random spots. Very few defenses start less than 10 american players, most start 11 of 12.

CFL is actually doing really well financially. The prairie teams are raking in money with good attendances (CGY, EDM, SSK, WPG). Ottawa, Hamilton, BC are the weaker markets, but ottawa is developing and Hamilton is ok. Toronto is the only real struggle.

CFL produces more NFL players than AFL and make 5x the salary. This is a ridiculous idea. AFL is full of CFL castoffs in reality.

 

[BKIslandersFan]

I found it interesting how the MLS, a league where roughly 1/3 of the teams are in markets that have only 1 of the big 4 teams, never had a team in a city that didn't have any of them.

They were in Columbus before Blue Jackets.