Biggest draft bust since 05/06?

Dodospice

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Lol how can you possibly rate Jordan as a bust? :help:

I didn't think he was deserving of the number two spot coming out of junior, and points wise he's never really improved. Is he a good NHL centre? Yes. It's hard to call him a bust because he's carved out an NHL career, but he isn't the star many projected.
 

93LEAFS

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I didn't think he was deserving of the number two spot coming out of junior, and points wise he's never really improved. Is he a good NHL centre? Yes. It's hard to call him a bust because he's carved out an NHL career, but he isn't the star many projected.
Hard to call someone who is likely to play 1000 nhl games and was probably a top 5 player on a Stanley Cup team a bust. If you want to think of a bust for that draft its most likely the Finnish Goalie, Shepperd, Fischer or Sanguinetti.
 

Dodospice

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Hard to call someone who is likely to play 1000 nhl games and was probably a top 5 player on a Stanley Cup team a bust. If you want to think of a bust for that draft its most likely the Finnish Goalie, Shepperd, Fischer or Sanguinetti.

Like I said, it's hard to call a guy who has carved out a nice career a bust. However, don't use Stanley Cups as a reasoning for someone not being a bust.
 

Lacaar

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Yak hasn't busted.

He's in progress.

Yak is busting. we're watching it live.

Oilers should have given him an IQ test before drafting him and maybe they'd have realized he's brain dead.
 

SabresSharks

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Bust to me means never had an NHL career of any length. Once a player moves out of Prospect status, he's no longer a bust. Yak is a disappointment at this point, not a bust.

Kyle Beach? Yup, he's a bust. Ditto Hugh Jessiman, although that was a huge reach by the Rangers.
 

Trafalgar Sadge Law

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I'm gonna divide it into full busts and disappointment busts. The former being the biggest waste of a pick (ie. failing to become a full time NHLer), the latter being the highest picked player who fell flat on their face, even if they made the NHL.

Full Busts:
2005: Marek Zagrapan
2006: David Fischer (HM: Mark Mitera for also playing 0 games but not appearing on some teams' do not draft lists)
2007: Zach Hamill (HM: Patrick White for managing to not even getting offered a minor league deal)
2008: Kyle Beach
2009: Scott Glennie
2010: Dylan McIlrath
2011: Duncan Siemens
2012: Griffin Reinhart
2013: Samuel Morin

Disappointment Busts:
2005: Gilbert Brule
2006: James Sheppard
2007: Thomas Hickey
2008: Luke Schenn
2009: Scott Glennie
2010: Erik Gudbranson
2011: Ryan Strome
2012: Nail Yakupov
2013: Valeri Nichushkin
 

93LEAFS

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Hard to say anyone but Yakupov is the biggest bust in recent memory. He was a 1st overall pick who was traded for a 2nd rounder after 4 years, and then was not qualified by the team that traded for him. It was a bad draft, and maybe he wouldn't have been a top 2 or 3 pick in most other drafts, but that is an absolutely terrible return for a top 5 pick. G. Reinhart was also bad, but at least Snow somehow salvaged that value by getting a 1st (regardless of what it turned into) and a 2nd before his value completely tanked.

I mean, how many top 5 picks were waiver fodder or unqualified UFA's before they were 24 in recent memory? I keep a loose list of players drafted in the first round in groups of 5 pick cohorts to see the rough value and return of each range. I've done this for every draft from 2005 until 2012 (will add 2013 at the end of the year), I don't go past that, as it takes some guys a bit to settle into roughly what they are. Here's how I've grouped the top 5 at the end of last season. Some guys placement you may disagree with, but I don't think I'm off by a tier with anyone. I would move G. Reinhart down to outright bust at this point and he would be the only guy in that category. Also, keep in mind, its hard to compare guys drafted in like 2005 who have pretty defined careers to 2012 guys. For example, Alzner is now an overpaid guy on the bottom pairing, but at his peak was a valuable top 4 shutdown guy. For 6-10 the only guys I currently have as outright busts are Hamil, Filatov, Glennie and McIlrath.

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lakai17

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Full Busts:
2011: Duncan Siemens
2013: Samuel Morin

Disappointment Busts:

2008: Luke Schenn

Samuel Morin is only 22 years old, developing in the ahl :dunno:

Siemens is bad but he's up with the Avs right now.

Schenn has over 700 gp including playoffs.
 

lawrence

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Yakupov is just a reclamation project by the Generosity of Joe Sakic and the Avalanche. I've seen him since the days he was with the Oilers, and the fact that he is hardly not even close to be a 2nd line player shows he's a bust. His first step issues, and the fact he is an outright perimeter player shows he's a bust. Him struggling has nothing to do with his previous coaches, he's just bad.
 

mja

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Samuel Morin is only 22 years old, developing in the ahl :dunno:

Siemens is bad but he's up with the Avs right now.

Schenn has over 700 gp including playoffs.

He's also only played 17 combined games this season due to injuries. Almost everyone except for Hextall & Hakstol thought he deserved a spot on the team out of camp this year over Hagg. This is his last year of waivers exemption, so he'll be an NHLer out of camp next season. Still projects to be a shutdown defender at the next level, and hopefully will be a top 4 guy, but he's never going to get the opportunity to develop his offensive game due to Ghost, Provorov, Sanheim, & Myers, so his numbers are never going to wow anyone. If he ends up a 6'7" defensive monster with plus skating who can log big minutes and smother passing lanes, that would most definitely not be a bust.
 
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gifted88

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There seems to be a wide range of opinions on what it means to "bust".

Alexandre Daigle is considered one of the biggest draft busts of all-time. Drafted 1st overall with Lemieux type hype. Sure he never came close to his expectations, but if you posted Daigle's stats without mentioning who it is and where they were drafted I'm not sure if everyone would say that player was a bust. You'd think he was just some 3rd/4th liner.
 

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Sam Morin would be in the NHL had he not fell victim to multiple injuries this year. Calling him a full bust is confusing.
 

SmellOfVictory

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There seems to be a wide range of opinions on what it means to "bust".

Alexandre Daigle is considered one of the biggest draft busts of all-time. Drafted 1st overall with Lemieux type hype. Sure he never came close to his expectations, but if you posted Daigle's stats without mentioning who it is and where they were drafted I'm not sure if everyone would say that player was a bust. You'd think he was just some 3rd/4th liner.
I think it's easy to argue that a 3rd/4th liner out of a 1st overall pick is bust status. 1st overall picks, with few exceptions, become impact players in the league, and most of them become top tier players. To me a bust is a player who falls far short of reasonable expectations given where he was drafted. That makes 4th line/PP specialist Yakupov a bust in my eyes, just as Daigle was.
 
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stl76

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Hard to say anyone but Yakupov is the biggest bust in recent memory. He was a 1st overall pick who was traded for a 2nd rounder after 4 years, and then was not qualified by the team that traded for him. It was a bad draft, and maybe he wouldn't have been a top 2 or 3 pick in most other drafts, but that is an absolutely terrible return for a top 5 pick. G. Reinhart was also bad, but at least Snow somehow salvaged that value by getting a 1st (regardless of what it turned into) and a 2nd before his value completely tanked.

I mean, how many top 5 picks were waiver fodder or unqualified UFA's before they were 24 in recent memory? I keep a loose list of players drafted in the first round in groups of 5 pick cohorts to see the rough value and return of each range. I've done this for every draft from 2005 until 2012 (will add 2013 at the end of the year), I don't go past that, as it takes some guys a bit to settle into roughly what they are. Here's how I've grouped the top 5 at the end of last season. Some guys placement you may disagree with, but I don't think I'm off by a tier with anyone. I would move G. Reinhart down to outright bust at this point and he would be the only guy in that category. Also, keep in mind, its hard to compare guys drafted in like 2005 who have pretty defined careers to 2012 guys. For example, Alzner is now an overpaid guy on the bottom pairing, but at his peak was a valuable top 4 shutdown guy. For 6-10 the only guys I currently have as outright busts are Hamil, Filatov, Glennie and McIlrath.

Superstar (7)
Sidney Crosby
Carey Price
Patrick Kane
Drew Doughty
Steven Stamkos
John Tavares
Victor Hedman

Star (7)

Backstrom
Toews
Kessel
Pietrangelo
Tyler Seguin
Taylor Hall
Ryan Johansen

Top Line/Top Pairing/Starter (7)

Bobby Ryan
Erik Johnson
JVR
Kyle Turris
Huberdeau
Duchene
Morgan Rielly

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Jack Johnson
Jordan Staal
Brayden Schenn
Evander Kane
Nino Niedereiter
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
Gabriel Landeskog
Adam Larsson
Ryan Murray
Alex Galychenyuk
Karl Alzner

3rd liner/5th D (5)

Benoit Pouliot
Thomas Hickey
Zach Bogosian
Erik Gudbranson
Ryan Strome

4th liner/6th D (3)

Luke Schenn
Nail Yakupov
Griffin Reinhart

Outright bust (0)
Putting Bobby Ryan in a tier above Brayden Schenn is an....interesting...choice.
 

93LEAFS

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Putting Bobby Ryan in a tier above Brayden Schenn is an....interesting...choice.
It was done at the end of last year. I might update it this year. Bobby Ryan had at least a 3 to 4-year run as a clear top line player. Schenn has never really played at a top line level until this year. Currently, Schenn is clearly way more valuable.
 

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