Bobby Hull Doug Harvey Howie Morenz Jean Beliveau Maurice Richard Patrick Roy Maybe Eddie Shore Frank Nighbor Jacques Plante Jaromir Jagr Mark Messier Ray Bourque Terry Sawchuk What unique mixture is that? Hey, this guy has scoring titles AND Stanley Cups! So unique! Crosby has two scoring titles. Roy has four save percentage titles. Crosby finished top-10 in 10 seasons. Roy finished top-10 in 15 seasons. Crosby has two Conn Smythe Trophies in three Championships and four Finals. Roy has three with another Cup and Final. Crosby's teams have never won the league title/President's Trophy - which used to be considered a much bigger accomplishment than it is now. The Penguins have only won the division title on four occasions. Roy's teams won two President's Trophies and 11 division titles. Crosby has two MVPs. Roy took a 1st Team selection over a Hart winner in 2001-02 (deemed better, but not more valuable) and had maybe his best season in 1988-89 (33-5, undefeated at home, save percentage title by a touchdown), so I don't know that he's necessarily lacking in terms of top-end performance even though he's not Terry Sawchuk. But I would take a few of Roy's seasons over 2006-07 Roberto Luongo and 2013-14 Ryan Getzlaf, even if I wouldn't necessarily take them over 1988-89 Mario Lemieux or 1989-90 and 1991-92 Mark Messier. I don't know that Crosby would necessarily beat out those three seasons either. It's four 1st Team selections and three 2nd Team selections against four 1st Team selections, two 2nd Team selections, and two more Vezina nominations. If it's the perfect career, why are there no fewer than three forwards with better ones, and why are we talking about things being taken from him? Wouldn't not suffering a major issue four times in six seasons be more perfect? Um... no. If I need to draft a Center after the big names, I'm giving Beliveau and Messier as much of a look as Crosby. They're not just Captains; they're Generals. Or Admirals, because they're kind of on water. But realistically, I'm taking Harvey, Bourque, Plante, or Roy on the unicorn theory. Crosby's one of the best in a bucket of all-offensive forwards. But a player like Patrick Roy? He shaped the way his position is played. Literally. Goaltending equipment is shaped differently to allow for repetitive butterfly movement. Crosby is really good, but let's not inflate his relevance just because he's a current player. Hockey history is long. Lot of Centers before 1980. Lot of positions besides Center. Lot of players who were healthier. Telling me who is number five and saying "think about it" is less effective than explaining why.