TheStatican
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I'm in the process of making a very large thread and I delved into a lot of different statistics for it, this is just one of the many stats I looked into. It's a list of the best 10-game and 20-game season starts(from 1966-67 through to 2021-22). I highly doubt any pre-expansion season/post war season would make it onto either lists so I did not look through those seasons. Some pre-war seasons might make it but I'm positive no one is beating Lemieux here.
The numbers really do go to show just how good of a starter Lemieux was. Imo there's no disputing it, he was the best starter in league history, yes even more so than #99. I mean Gretzky has 8 of the top 10 point seasons of all time vs 2 for Lemieux, yet Lemieux has 4 of the best 10 starts vs only 2 for Gretzky. Also his scoring average is a fair bit higher with a ppg of 2.01 vs 1.83. Interestingly enough Lemieux was also was a better season finisher as well, again with a fair ppg gap 1.98 vs 1.79(although I didn't look into it, it's clear then that Gretzky would have a sizable advantage in his favor through the middle stretch of a season).
Best first ten games of a season;
Best first twenty games of a season;
I don't know what was in the water in October 1987, but something caused it to have more players with quick starts(5) than any other season in league history.
And because inquiring minds would probably like to know, here's a look at Gretzky and Lemieux's individual seasons;
Gretzky
Lemieux
I may compile a list of the top finishers in the future or perhaps someone else can but for comparative purposes Conner McDavid had 5-19-24 in his last 10 and 12-30-42 in his last 20 in 2020-21. Steven Stamkos had an even better final 10(but not 20) at the end of this year with 10-16-26 and 20 of 14-25-39 Kucherov had 10-13-23 & 14-22-36
The numbers really do go to show just how good of a starter Lemieux was. Imo there's no disputing it, he was the best starter in league history, yes even more so than #99. I mean Gretzky has 8 of the top 10 point seasons of all time vs 2 for Lemieux, yet Lemieux has 4 of the best 10 starts vs only 2 for Gretzky. Also his scoring average is a fair bit higher with a ppg of 2.01 vs 1.83. Interestingly enough Lemieux was also was a better season finisher as well, again with a fair ppg gap 1.98 vs 1.79(although I didn't look into it, it's clear then that Gretzky would have a sizable advantage in his favor through the middle stretch of a season).
Best first ten games of a season;
1 | 16-21-37 | Mario Lemieux | 1988-89 |
T2 | 17-15-32 | Mike Bossy | 1984-85 |
- | 14-18-32 | Mario Lemieux | 1992-93 |
- | 13-19-32 | Mario Lemieux | 1995-96 |
5 | 11-19-30 | Wayne Gretzky | 1984-85 |
T6 | 10-19-29 | Brent Sutter | 1984-85 |
- | 9-20-29 | Pat Lafontaine | 1992-93 |
8 | 8-20-28 | Wayne Gretzky | 1986-87 |
T9 | 14-12-26 | Mario Lemieux | 1986-87 |
- | 13-13-26 | Charlie Simmer | 1980-81 |
- | 11-15-26 | Kevin Stevens | 1992-93 |
- | 10-16-26 | Marcel Dionne | 1979-80 |
T13 | 12-13-25 | Wayne Gretzky | 1983-84 |
- | 10-15-25 | Guy Lafleur | 1975-76 |
T15 | 14-10-24 | Phil Esposito | 1973-74 |
- | 10-14-24 | Rob Brown | 1988-89 |
- | 5-19-24 | Wayne Gretzky | 1985-86 |
T18 | 7-17-24 | Wayne Gretzky | 1993-94 |
- | 10-13-23 | Leon Draisaitl | 2021-22 |
- | 12-11-23 | Peter Stastny | 1987-88 |
- | 11-12-23 | Mario Lemieux | 1987-88 |
- | 10-13-23 | Jari Kurri | 1984-85 |
- | 9-14-23 | Wayne Gretzky | 1988-89 |
- | 7-16-23 | Wayne Gretzky | 1987-88 |
- | 6-17-23 | Mario Lemieux | 2002-03 |
T26 | 8-14-22 | Dave Taylor | 1980-81 |
- | 8-14-22 | Michel Goulet | 1987-88 |
- | 8-14-22 | Connor McDavid | 2021-22 |
Best first twenty games of a season;
1 | 23-37-60 | Mario Lemieux | 1988-89 |
T2 | 24-33-57 | Wayne Gretzky | 1983-84 |
- | 22-35-57 | Mario Lemieux | 1995-96 |
4 | 19-35-54 | Wayne Gretzky | 1984-85 |
5 | 23-29-52 | Mario Lemieux | 1992-93 |
6 | 14-36-50 | Wayne Gretzky | 1987-88 |
7 | 24-25-49 | Mike Bossy | 1984-85 |
T8 | 23-24-47 | Bernie Nicholls | 1988-89 |
- | 13-34-47 | Denis Savard | 1987-88 |
10 | 23-23-46 | Phil Esposito | 1973-74 |
T11 | 15-30-45 | Wayne Gretzky | 1985-86 |
- | 15-30-45 | Wayne Gretzky | 1986-87 |
- | 14-31-45 | Wayne Gretzky | 1982-83 |
14 | 21-23-44 | Wayne Gretzky | 1981-82 |
T15 | 20-23-43 | Mario Lemieux | 1987-88 |
- | 19-24-43 | Marcel Dionne | 1979-80 |
- | 14-29-43 | Pat Lafontaine | 1992-93 |
T18 | 17-25-42 | Jaromir Jagr | 1995-96 |
- | 16-26-42 | Brent Sutter | 1984-85 |
- | 16-26-42 | Wayne Gretzky | 1988-89 |
- | 15-27-42 | Jari Kurri | 1992-93 |
T22 | 21-20-41 | Charlie Simmer | 1980-81 |
- | 19-22-41 | Peter Stastny | 1987-88 |
- | 14-27-41 | Michel Goulet | 1987-88 |
- | 11-30-41 | Mario Lemieux | 2002-03 |
T26 | 20-20-40 | Leon Draisaitl | 2021-22 |
- | 17-23-40 | Marcel Dionne | 1980-81 |
- | 17-23-40 | Rob Brown | 1988-89 |
- | 10-30-40 | Wayne Gretzky | 1989-90 |
- | 9-31-40 | John Cullen | 1990-91 |
- | 9-31-40 | Wayne Gretzky | 1993-94 |
T32 | 24-15-39 | Dino Ciccarelli | 1986-87 |
- | 21-18-39 | Marcel Dionne | 1981-82 |
- | 19-20-39 | Jaromir Jagr | 1999-00 |
- | 15-24-39 | Bobby Orr | 1974-75 |
- | 13-26-39 | Mark Recchi | 1992-93 |
- | 11-28-39 | Bobby Orr | 1973-74 |
And because inquiring minds would probably like to know, here's a look at Gretzky and Lemieux's individual seasons;
Gretzky
Season | First 10 | First 20 | 20gm rank | Season end rank | 10gm ppg | 20gm ppg | Final ppg | Final 20 | Final 10 |
1979-80 | 4-9-13 | 9-21-30 | 6 | T1 | 1.30 | 1.50 | 1.73 | 16-22-38 | 10-12-22 |
1980-81 | 5-11-16 | 9-22-31 | 7 | 1 | 1.60 | 1.55 | 2.05 | 16-34-50 | 5-24-29 |
1981-82 | 7-10-17 | 21-23-44 | 1 | 1 | 1.70 | 2.20 | 2.65 | 22-34-56 | 10-15-25 |
1982-83 | 6-16-22 | 14-31-45 | 1 | 1 | 2.20 | 2.25 | 2.45 | 21-28-49 | 9-19-28 |
1983-84 | 12-13-25 | 24-33-57 | 1 | 1 | 2.50 | 2.85 | 2.77 | 24-23-47 | 8-13-21 |
1984-85 | 11-19-30 | 19-35-54 | 1 | 1 | 3.00 | 2.70 | 2.60 | 13-28-41 | 8-15-23 |
1985-86 | 5-19-24 | 15-30-45 | 1 | 1 | 2.40 | 2.25 | 2.69 | 11-42-53 | 4-22-26 |
1986-87 | 8-20-28 | 15-30-45 | 1 | 1 | 2.80 | 2.25 | 2.32 | 8-26-34 | 2-12-14 |
1987-88 | 7-16-23 | 14-36-50 | 1 | 2 | 2.30 | 2.60 | 2.33 | 6-40-46 | 4-21-25 |
1988-89 | 9-14-23 | 16-26-42 | 3 | 2 | 2.30 | 2.10 | 2.15 | 10-27-37 | 3-14-17 |
1989-90 | 6-12-18 | 10-30-40 | 1 | 1 | 1.80 | 2.00 | 1.95 | 11-25-36 | 5-15-20 |
1990-91 | 7-14-21 | 14-24-38 | 2 | 1 | 2.10 | 1.90 | 2.09 | 8-42-50 | 3-20-23 |
1991-92 | 4-10-14 | 10-21-31 | 8 | 3 | 1.40 | 1.55 | 1.64 | 7-28-35 | 3-11-14 |
1992-93 | 2-11-13 | 3-21-24 | na | T91 | 1.30 | 1.20 | 1.44 | 10-24-34 | 4-10-14 |
1993-94 | 7-17-24 | 9-31-40 | 1 | 1 | 2.40 | 2.00 | 1.60 | 7-17-24 | 4-9-13 |
1994-95 | 2-9-11 | 4-15-19 | 44 | T19 | 1.10 | 0.95 | 1.00 | 6-19-25 | 1-7-8 |
1995-96 | 2-13-15 | 7-27-34 | 3 | 12 | 1.50 | 1.70 | 1.28 | 8-14-22 | 4-6-10 |
1996-97 | 3-8-11 | 8-17-25 | 3 | T4 | 1.10 | 1.25 | 1.18 | 8-11-19 | 4-6-10 |
1997-98 | 3-6-9 | 6-14-20 | 23 | 4 | 0.90 | 1.00 | 1.10 | 7-20-27 | 3-7-10 |
1998-99 | 1-7-8 | 2-15-17 | 42 | T33 | 0.80 | 0.85 | 0.89 | 1-11-12 | 1-4-5 |
totals | 365 | 731 | | | | | | 735 | 357 |
ppg | | | | | 1.83 | 1.83 | 1.92 | 1.84 | 1.79 |
Lemieux
Season | First 10 | First 20 | 20 gm rank | Season end rank | 10gm ppg | 20gm ppg | Final ppg | Final 20 | Final 10 |
1984-85 | 2-11-13 | 6-24-30 | 38 | 13 | 1.30 | 1.50 | 1.37 | 14-12-26 | 7-7-14 |
1985-86 | 8-9-17 | 13-22-35 | 2 | 2 | 1.70 | 1.75 | 1.78 | 10-21-31 | 3-9-12 |
1986-87 | 14-12-26 | 20-18-38 | 2 | 3 | 2.60 | 1.90 | 1.70 | 15-16-31 | 3-9-12 |
1987-88 | 11-12-23 | 20-23-43 | 3 | 1 | 2.30 | 2.15 | 2.18 | 17-30-47 | 13-16-29 |
1988-89 | 16-21-37 | 23-37-60 | 1 | 1 | 3.70 | 3.00 | 2.62 | 23-22-45 | 19-8-27 |
1989-90 | 5-13-18 | 11-26-37 | 2 | 4 | 1.80 | 1.85 | 2.08 | 19-26-45 | 10-14-24 |
1990-91 | 7-14-21 | 12-22-34 | na | T113 | 2.10 | 1.70 | 1.73 | > | overlaps |
1991-92 | 9-10-19 | 14-18-32 | 5 | 1 | 1.90 | 1.60 | 2.05 | 15-33-48 | 9-16-25 |
1992-93 | 14-18-32 | 23-29-52 | 1 | 1 | 3.20 | 2.60 | 2.62 | 30-26-56 | 16-11-27 |
1993-94 | 6-10-16 | 16-19-35 | >50 | T194 | 1.60 | 1.75 | 1.68 | > | overlaps |
1995-96 | 13-19-32 | 22-35-57 | 1 | 1 | 3.20 | 2.85 | 2.30 | 19-22-41 | 12-13-25 |
1996-97 | 5-8-13 | 9-18-27 | 7 | 1 | 1.30 | 1.35 | 1.61 | 7-19-26 | 6-11-17 |
2000-01 | 9-12-21 | 19-18-37 | na | T29 | 2.10 | 1.85 | 1.77 | 15-23-38 | 7-12-19 |
2001-02 | 1-9-10 | 6-22-28 | >50 | T213 | 1.00 | 1.40 | 1.29 | > | overlaps |
2002-03 | 6-17-23 | 11-30-41 | 1 | 8 | 2.30 | 2.05 | 1.36 | 7-9-16 | 1-5-6 |
2003-04 | 1-8-9 | na | >50 | T509 | 0.90 | na | 0.90 | > | overlaps |
2005-06 | 5-6-11 | 7-13-20 | 46 | T355 | 1.10 | 1.00 | 0.85 | > | overlaps |
totals | 341 | 606 | | | | | | 450 | 237 |
ppg | | | | | 2.01 | 1.89 | 1.88 | 1.88 | 1.98 |
I may compile a list of the top finishers in the future or perhaps someone else can but for comparative purposes Conner McDavid had 5-19-24 in his last 10 and 12-30-42 in his last 20 in 2020-21. Steven Stamkos had an even better final 10(but not 20) at the end of this year with 10-16-26 and 20 of 14-25-39 Kucherov had 10-13-23 & 14-22-36
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