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Best season by an individual player since 2000
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Did Jagr lead the league in anything? Nope. OV led in goals, GPG, pts and PPG. Also, Jagr put up 42% of his pts on the PP, compared to 33% for OV. In addition to putting up pts, did Jagr offer anything else? Not really. But OV offered a physical element, throwing out 220 hits. So basically it's an elite scorer with no hardware vs an elite scorer + intimidating physical force with all the hardware.. Easy choice. Oh and 65 goals obviously.
Ovechkin's performance had nothing to do with Crosby. Crosby was healthy the following 2 seasons and OV beat him again in pts and PPG. Didn't really see anything to think 07/08 would be different. Ovechkin was better.
The Panther
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I guess some points here are valid. But I don't think the "hardware" argument has any weight -- As I said already, Jagr led the NHL in scoring for about 95% of the season, on and off (mostly on), and was simply overtaken at the very end. Had Crosby been healthy, there's every chance Ovechkin would have been locked in an on/off competition for the scoring title, and possibly Hart as well.
I dunno. Full marks to Ovechkin for his superb (best?) season, but I can't personally see that it was any better than Jagr's in 2005-06.
I've never considered that season as that great, but that season and Thornton 05/06 should really get more recognition as they often seem to get completely overlooked. A couple of things that makes it impressive to me was older age, and transition to new era.
If I was to pick three skaters (really only considering forwards) for full season + playoffs, in no particular order, I'd probably go with; Sakic 00/01, Zetterberg 07/08, Malkin 08/09 (HM: Crosby 16/17).
If I was to pick three skaters (really only considering forwards) for only full season, in no particular order, I'd probably go with; Forsberg 02/03, Ovechkin 07/08, Malkin 11/12 (HM: Kane 15/16).
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I know it is a half season so that pretty much disqualifies it but Mario in 2000-01 was awesome. Best points/game of any season in the time frame (2000 on). Came back after missing 3 years, 8 months of hockey. Still #2 in Hart voting and 17 points in 18 games in the playoffs.
Crosby's 2010-11 extrapolates to 64-68-132 over 82 games which would be the highest point total since 1996 (Lemieux).
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Crosby's 2010-11 extrapolates to 64-68-132 over 82 games which would be the highest point total since 1996 (Lemieux).
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The Panther
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Best points/game of any season yes, but in fact he was outscored by Jagr in the games he played. And since Jagr played the full season and Mario didn't, and Jagr led the NHL in assists and points, I don't see why it should count as a better Lemieux season than a better Jagr season. (Having said that, I still think Jagr's 2005-06 is his most impressive season since 2000.)
It would, but 41 games doesn't cut it.
The Panther
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Just throwing it out there, but what about Miika Kiprusoff in 2005-06?
That season was largely a battle between Thornton and Jagr (1st and 2nd Hart), but it was a "scorer's" season, and tougher on goalies. Flames had their first 100+ point-season in ages, and their leading scorer had only 67 points. They were 1st in team defence, and Kipper was 42-20-11, with the best GAA in the NHL, the most shut-outs, the most minutes played, and a sparkling 41.63 'GSAA' (goals saved above average), which is almost up there with peak-Hasek seasons in Buffalo and beats all but 2 Roy-in-Montreal seasons. Accordingly, Kiprusoff picked up a 1st-team All Star nod, the Jennings, and the Vezina.
Not too shabby.
That season was largely a battle between Thornton and Jagr (1st and 2nd Hart), but it was a "scorer's" season, and tougher on goalies. Flames had their first 100+ point-season in ages, and their leading scorer had only 67 points. They were 1st in team defence, and Kipper was 42-20-11, with the best GAA in the NHL, the most shut-outs, the most minutes played, and a sparkling 41.63 'GSAA' (goals saved above average), which is almost up there with peak-Hasek seasons in Buffalo and beats all but 2 Roy-in-Montreal seasons. Accordingly, Kiprusoff picked up a 1st-team All Star nod, the Jennings, and the Vezina.
Not too shabby.
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Teemu's 2010-2011 season as a 41 year old:
31 goals, 49 assists,80 points in 73 regular season games
(8th in NHL scoring)
6 goals, 1 assist, 7 points in 6 play-offs games.
All-together 20 pp goals, 2nd most in the league*
only 3 less than Daniel Sedin.
*tied with Stamkos
In a season where only Perry scored 50 goals, 50 exact in the regular season.
Stamkos 45, Iginla 43, DSedin 41, Kesler 41
In a season Where Ovie scored all-together 37 (32+5) goals and Kovaltshuk 31 goals
40+ players 2010-2011 (forwards)
1. Teemu Selänne 31+49=80 (1.10)
2 Mark Recchi 14+34=48 (0.59)
3. Mike Modano 4+11=15 (0.38)
31 goals, 49 assists,80 points in 73 regular season games
(8th in NHL scoring)
6 goals, 1 assist, 7 points in 6 play-offs games.
All-together 20 pp goals, 2nd most in the league*
only 3 less than Daniel Sedin.
*tied with Stamkos
In a season where only Perry scored 50 goals, 50 exact in the regular season.
Stamkos 45, Iginla 43, DSedin 41, Kesler 41
In a season Where Ovie scored all-together 37 (32+5) goals and Kovaltshuk 31 goals
40+ players 2010-2011 (forwards)
1. Teemu Selänne 31+49=80 (1.10)
2 Mark Recchi 14+34=48 (0.59)
3. Mike Modano 4+11=15 (0.38)
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quoipourquoi
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How about Martin St. Louis in 2003-04? Wins the Art Ross by 7 points, also leads the league in Assists and Plus-Minus and Shorthanded Goals, and only finishes 3 goals back of the Rocket Richard. In the playoffs, he wins the Stanley Cup while again leading in Assists and placing 4th in Goals and 2nd in Points with two overtime winners.
The Panther
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I agree with you. When we talk about best RS + playoffs, we always hear Sakic '01, Malkin '09, and Thomas '11 -- all great choices of course, but why not more of St.Louis '04?
Scoring title, Hart trophy, Pearson, most assists, best plus/minus, 1st-team All Star... As if that's not enough, he then was 2nd in scoring in the playoffs (I personally think he was just as good as Richards) and won the Cup. Scored two playoff overtime goals along the way, including the goal in OT that saved game 7 for the Lightning and allowed them a chance to win it all.
I call this discrimination against short people.
BigBadBruins7708
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you got me curious, so i looked it up. Thomas's 2010-11 GSAA was 45.77.
Amazingly, Hasek had 3 straight years of 54.41, 54.49, 54.08
That's a good one that I completely overlooked.
MSL had some good fortune, but his story is great. One of the best playmakers of recent times.
GMR
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It was more impressive because of his age, how long he was away from the game, and the fact that he joined the team mid season. Maybe those factors don't go into Hart voting, but Lemieux in 2001 was the most impressive thing I've seen in my time watching hockey.
