Best player with no individual accolades

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  1. arrbez

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    Kind of building off the best goalie thread.

    Who was the best player to never win a major award*, and to also never have an NHL post-season allstar selection?

    Obviously this only takes players from the modern era into account, when these awards were around.

    I believe the correct answer is Peter Stastny, but I'm wondering if there's some others that would surprise me.

    It would be interesting to make an all-time no-hardware lineup...


    *Major Awards (in my books, anyways):
    Hart, Art Ross, Pearson, Conn Smyth, Norris, Vezina (current incarnation), Selke, Richard (retroactive as well)

    I personally don't consider the Jennings, Calder, or Byng to be very important, and obviously not the Masterton, Clancy, etc. Jack Adams isn't relevant here either. All these trophies are fair game. Playing in the actual Allstar game is also not an issue.
     
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    Dunno about ever, but Sundin has gotta be up there. Just sprung to my mind.
     
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    Sundin has two second team allstar selections, so he's inneligable.
     
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    Sundin has been a post-season All-Star twice. Modano is definitely up there, though.
     
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    OK, all star selections count. How about Fetisov?
     
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    Yeah, allstar selections.

    Which is why it's so mind boggling that Stastny never made an allstar team. There's probably quite a few excellent centres from the 80's who never got a sniff. I know Federko never got one either, and Dale Hawerchuk and Denis Savard only made it once.
     
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    Modano was a 2nd team all-star in '99 or '00.

    Sergei Zubov has two Cups and he was a Norris finalist once, but has never gotten an individual award.
    Curtis Joseph won a Clancy trophy a couple years ago, but that isn't a real trophy, so he semi-counts.
     
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    Jacques Lemaire ever an allstar?
     
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    Interestingly...


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    p.s.: projected awards winners is taken into account.
     
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    I'm really surprised that Adam Foote doesn't show up on your defence list, pnep. He'd be arguably the best one there.
     
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    2nd team all-star in 2005-06.
     
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    Daniel Alfredsson?:dunno:
     
  13. Mike Gartner. I believe no awards, and no first or second team all star selections. One of six players with 700 goals.
     
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    2nd team all-star in 2005-06.
     
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    Gartner's a funny case, because there was never really any justification to even consider him for an award at any point in his career. This 700 goal man has fewer 50 goal seasons than Blaine Stoughton and Stephan Richer. He was just super-consistant is all.
     
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    When I saw this thread the first name that came to mind was Brad McCrimmon. After I looked into his career a bit I found out he's ineligible because he was a 2nd team All-Star and played in the All-Star game that season (and led the NHL in +/-). I'm still astounded by +85 in 1985-86.
     
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    Adam Oates

    Unless he was on the postseason all-star list the year the Capitals went to the Finals
     
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    2nd team all-star in 91.
     
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    ah, the 90 assists year when he was feeding Hull, of course
     
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    Dale Hunter :handclap:

    I cannot imagine a more dominant career lacking in individual accolades, largely because centre ice on all-star teams were dominated by the Gretz, Mario, Yzerman, Sakic types, and largely because he had the misfortune on playing on playoff teams that didn't play as well in the postseason as he did.

    He is still the only player to have scored playoff series-winning OT goals twice.

    In a different era, or on a different playoff team, Dale Hunter would go down as a Top-100 player all time.
     
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    That can't be right...
     
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    And yet it is! But my mistake: I meant OVERTIME series winning goals... fixed.

    Hunter also has played the most playoff games (186) without playing for a Stanley Cup-winning team.
     
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    Martin Gelinas and Ken Linesman have both scored 3 series-clinching goals in the same year...

    Bah! You with your quick edits!
     
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    two playoff series-winning OT goals... forgot to put in the OT... but thought it...

    sorry for the mix-up (*yawn* bedtime)

    winning two series in overtime deciding games is the sign of a hero... plus his career stats... plus for those of us who watched him play over his career (I didn't see much of the Quebec years but am a longtime Caps fan), we know he would be a superstar in another situation, never getting the individual accolades he's due
     
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    Hull called him "the most underrated player ever" tonight.
     

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