Best drafting record

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  1. koeltrain

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    Over the last 10 years say, who has had the best drafting record? I don't have the time or tools to look up this, but thought it was interesting. I decided I would start this thread to get some discussion on the topic. So....

    Discuss :teach:
     
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    I guess I should put who I feel has had strong drafting for the past 10 or so years.

    I have always thought that Detroit and Colorado have drafted well (especially in deeper rounds). Of course teams that are constantly bottom feeders with top 5 picks may have drafted more superstars with their top 5 pick in drafts all the time. I think the Islanders have drafted pretty well too, but Milbury just f'ed it all up.
     
  3. ok.. lets count 1995 draft to the 2005 draft...

    I am including back up goalies. I do not include guys who play under 25 NHL games. I only did the best drating teams. not every team is listed here.

    I am also not including players have did play games in the NHL prior to this year. EG one guy played in the 04 season as a full timer, but is not in the NHL this season.

    New Jersey Devils have 13 players

    New York Islanders have 11 players

    Vancouver Canucks have 10 players, Peter Schaefar, Matt Cooke Bryan Allen Artem Chubarov Jarkko Ruutu , Daniel Sedin Henrik Sedin, R.J Umberger, Kevin Bieska, Ryan Kesler.

    Ottawa Senators have 15 players.....

    Sharks have 13....

    Calgary Flames have 8....
    Derek Morris, Steve Begin, Toni LYdman, Oleg Saprykin, Jarret Stoll, Chuck Kobasew, Dion Phaneuf, Kurtis Foster

    Penguins have 11.

    OIlers have 11.

    Habs have 9

    Leafs have 7
    Adam Mair, Antropov, Brad Boyes, Mikael Tellqvist, Karel Pilar, Kyle Kellwood, Alexander Steen.

    Flyers have 9, but in those 9 includes with later picks, the likes of Williams, Gagne, and Mike Richards.

    AValanche have 14..

    Sabres have 13...

    Red Wings have 4..... Jiri Ficher, Nik Krownwall, Datsyuik and Zetterberg within the past 10 draft years.


    as i was looking through this, Ottawa sees to have drafted the best players. For a team that is always picking later in the 1st round, players include, Havlat, Volchenkov, MIke Ficher, Patrick Eaves, Meszarous, TEam Gleason, the list goes on. Next up I thought SAn Jose awesome picking up players from the draft.

    Calgary has the worst drafting record. 7 of those years, they miss the playoffs, 4 of them top 10 pick, and they still helped the leauge with 8 PLayers.

    Leafs is the worst drafting team in the Leauge Nuff said. go to hockeydb and see for yourself.
     
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    you've gotta take into account the position of drafting :shakehead:
     
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    1. Define "best drafting record". Do you mean "most draft picks to make the NHL", "most GP from guys that were picked", "most points from guys that were picked", .... ?

    2. It's more fair if you look at any period before 2002. Arguably one could include 2002, but if picks are going to make the NHL, they're almost always going to do it within 5 years - meaning it's still much too soon to look at 2003-2005, while 2001 and before can be looked at with a high degree of certainty.

    Answer those two questions, and I'll provide some numbers.
     
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    Bruins
    1995
    9 Kyle McLaren
    21 Sean Brown
    177 P.J. Axelsson


    1996
    Dud of a draft
    1997
    1 Joe Thornton
    8 Sergei Samsonov
    27 Ben Clymer



    1998
    48 Jonathan Girard --(car accident--retired)
    135 Andrew Raycroft

    1999
    21 Nick Boynton
    89 Kyle Wanvig
    247 Mikko Eloranta


    2000
    37 Andy Hilbert
    73 Sergei Zinovjev (RSL star)


    2001
    19 Shaone Morrisonn
    179 Andrew Alberts
    241 Milan Jurcina

    2002
    29 Hannu Toivonen
    259 Yan Stastny


    2003
    21 Mark Stuart
    45 Patrice Bergeron

    2004
    63 David Krejci (signed)
    64 Martin Karsums (signed)
    134 Kris Versteeg (signed)
    160 Ben Walter (signed + has played BB)


    2005
    22 Matt Lashoff (signed played PB)
    39 Petr Kalus (signed -made out of camp)
    100 Jonathan Sigalet (signed-great rookie
    106 Vladimir Sobotka (looks great at WJC's)
    154 Wacey Rabbit (looks great so far in WHL)


    Seems like the Bruins have really been getting better and better at drafting these past few years. Having picked no higher than 19th since 2001 I am pretty happy.
     
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    Best record in my opinion is the Isles, they just traded them all away once they got them.
     
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    1995
    3 D Aki-Petteri Berg
    33 C Donald MacLean
    50 R Pavel Rosa
    59 L Vladimir Tsyplakov
    118 C Jason Morgan


    1996
    30 W Josh Green
    37 R Marian Cisar
    96 C Eric Belanger
    190 G Steve Valiquette
    193 F Kai Nurminen


    1997
    3 C Olli Jokinen
    29 W Scott Barney
    83 D Joe Corvo


    1998
    21 D Mathieu Biron
    46 C Justin Papineau
    103 W Kip Brennan
    163 D Tomas Zizka
    248 G Matthew Yeats

    1999
    76 D Frantisek Kaberle
    104 R Brian McGrattan
    222 F George Parros
    250 L Noah Clarke

    2000
    20 L Alexander Frolov
    54 D Andreas Lilja
    86 C Yannick Lehoux
    118 D Lubomir Visnovsky
    165 G Nathan Marsters (dressed a game for the Ducks in the playoffs, but didn't play.)


    2001
    30 C Dave Steckel
    49 C Mike Cammalleri
    51 R Jaroslav Bednar
    116 D Richard Petiot
    214 G Cristobal Huet

    2002
    18 D Denis Grebeshkov
    66 R Petr Kanko
    279 F Connor James


    2003
    13 R Dustin Brown
    27 Jeff Tambellini
    44 L Konstantin Pushkarev
    174 C Esa Pirnes
     
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    It's hard to say the Islanders are the best, we just got alot of early picks from 95-2000, although i guess our picks from 2002-2005 seem to be good although we picked in the middle of the pack.

    It's hard comparing a team picking top 10 constantly to a team picking bottom 10.
     
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    It seems like the Wings draft well because their impact players all seem to come from the 6th round or later. But in reality their drafts have not been very good, or rather, were not very good from around 94 to 99. The only players they got out of those drafts were Dandenault, Holmstrom, Kuznetsov :eek: , Fischer, Datsyuk and Zetterberg. And the Wings have an alarmingly high bust rate for 1st rounders - of their 8 firsts since 92, 5 are busts by my count, 2 are Fischer and Kronwall, and it's too early to tell on Kindl. If the Wings could do a decent job drafting early as well as late, they'd have the best farm system in the league for years and years.

    They've been a bit better lately - Hudler, Grigorenko, Howard, and now recently Kopecky, all look like they're going to make the NHL at some point and have lots of potential. All were taken in the second round. And middle round picks like Quincey, Filppula, McGrath, and Ryno are all impressive on various levels and have promising futures.

    The trick with the Wings is, they need to fix their 1st round drafting. The way to start would be to actually use their 1st round picks, which they seem more inclined to do these days. The next step is to not take guys like Yan Golubovsky, Curtis Bowen, and Max Kuznetsov when they get the chance.

    I just want to see the Wings take a forward in the first round. It's been about 150 years since they did that. And please, somebody over 6 feet tall. :help:
     
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    agreed.. because detorit didnt have a first rounder for a long time, meanwhile bringing in 1 rookie at best per year.. but i wont stand up for them, there track record has been better so it seams lately but who knows
     
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    I don't understand the criteria: Is it guys who have played at least 25 for the Drafting team? Or just NHL

    I come up with a lot more than 13? Even if it just with the Devils I come up with 16? Bold is for sure possibly 22




    1995
    18 C Petr Sykora
    44 L Nathan Perrott Does he count?
    79 C Alyn McCauley Does he count?

    1996
    47 L Pierre Dagenais
    49 D Colin White

    99 D Willie Mitchell

    1997
    24 G Jean-Francois Damphouse backup and played 6 games.
    131 L Jiri Bicek
    215 G Scott Clemmensen


    1998
    26 D Mike Van Ryn Does he count?
    27 C Scott Gomez
    37 C Christian Berglund
    82 R Brian Gionta
    105 L Pierre Dagenais


    1999
    42 D Mike Commodore

    2000
    22 D David Hale
    62 D Paul Martin
    76 L Michael Rupp

    135 C Mike Danton Does he count?


    2001
    163 L Andreas Salomonsson

    2002
    117 W Cam Janssen


    2003
    17 C Zach Parise


    EDIT:
    Ok Prior to this year = Subtract Zach Parise and Cam Janssen. But that is still 14 and Possibly 20 if you go by just NHL time, not team time.
     
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    Ottawa

    1995:
    1.) Brian Berard

    1996:
    1.) Chris Phillips
    136.) Andreas Dackell
    239.) Sami Salo

    1997
    12.) Marian Hossa
    58.) Jani Hurme
    119.) Magnus Arvedson
    239.) Karel Rachunek

    1998
    44.) Mike Fisher
    161.) Chris Neil

    1999
    26.) Martin Havlat
    94.) Chris Kelly
    164.) Martin Prusek

    2000
    21.) Anton Volchenkov
    55.) Antoine Vermette

    2001
    2.) Jason Spezza
    23.) Tim Gleason
    99.) Ray Emery
    127.) Christoph Schubert
    223.) Brandon Bochenski

    2002: None so far, but Alexei Kaygorodov looks like a potential 2nd line center and Arttu Luttinen was just signed by the team.

    2003
    29.) Patrick Eaves

    2004
    23.) Andrej Meszaros

    2005: Lee could be with the team next year. Cody Bass just signed with the Sens
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    Overall the Senators are renoun for finding gems in the draft over the years.
     
  14. as I was saying, I ment players that played more then 25 games in the NHL. Ok fine, then I will Include Josh HOlden who only played a few games in the Leauge, Harold Druken. Lemme throw in Fedor Federov who played 7 games in the NHL during hte 04 season and 0 during the 05 season. and lets thorw in Brad Ference. WHois played over 100 NHL games but is in Europe this year. THat will increase the Nuck Totals to 15. OH yea, Nathan SMith, he played 1 game in the leauge, and Brandon Reid, played 10 NHL games. Wow. THose players dont count in my mind.
    Ive actually counted Parise because hes a full time NHLer. Again, players drafted from 95 to 05. I even included Crosby for Pittsburgh.

    I was listing players that are NHL regulars. NOt a player that played a few games, or a regular call up , border line player in the leauge I dont think its good to count them cause they are non NHL regulars. BTW I might have missed some players too.

    im sorry to hurt your feelings. Everyone knows Toronto sucks at drafting. New JErsey and Ottawa have been drafting with later picks in the first round and are still one of the best drafting teams in the leauge. We do not have time to take into what account, for that team and this team and so for. So Calgary missed the playoffs 7 times in those 10 seasons. IN those 4 years, had a top 10 pick. 2 of them included a 11th pick, and their draft record still sucks. im only numbering how many full time NHLers each team have produced for the leauge. WE dont have time for crap stupid assesements like which team is drafting when. Just how many players each team produced.
     
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    That's really amazing. I've always held enormous respect for the Sens management and scouting, because they understand more than any other team how to build through the draft. It's too bad they can't seem to put it together in the playoffs. I think the Sens, assuming they keep one of Chara or Redden (Meszaros can step up to replace one...somewhat), will win a cup in the next 3-4 years. Goaltending is an issue.
     
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    I've been busy the past little while, but I like the discussion thus far.

    Just like it is hard to compare someone drafting earlier to later, it is pretty hard to come up with criteria to base your judgement on. As long as the criteria is stated within your reasoning then I guess that is good enough (and stats always help, even though I am still too lazy to do that).

    After looking things over Ottawa looks to be a pretty good drafting team indeed. Who is their head scout?

    Well, I will come back later
     
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    Ok,

    But what I'm saying is all these Drafted players played more than 25 NHL games

    18 C Petr Sykora ,44 L Nathan Perrott, 79 C Alyn McCauley, 47 L Pierre Dagenais
    49 D Colin White , 99 D Willie Mitchell, 131 L Jiri Bicek, 215 G Scott Clemmensen,
    26 D Mike Van Ryn, 27 C Scott Gomez, 37 C Christian Berglund, 82 R Brian Gionta,
    105 L Pierre Dagenais, 42 D Mike Commodore , 22 D David Hale, 62 D Paul Martin,
    76 L Michael Rupp, 135 C Mike Danton, 163 L Andreas Salomonsson.


    And the total = 19 .....Matter of Fact most of this list played over 80 NHL games or More with the exception of Andreas Salomonsson, who play one season for NJ and one for Washington for a total of 71 NHL games.
     
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    Wrong...Markov, Kaberle, Ponikarovski, Colaiacovo,Stajan,Kronwall, Kondratiev....also Tremblay has hundereds of games played in the NHL, not this season though. Missed quite a bit there. Although they still are one of the worst drafting teams for sure. Some years like 99 they got no NHL'ers out of the draft.
     
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    1995
    8 L Terry Ryan
    60 D Miroslav Guren
    74 L Martin Hohenberger
    86 R Jonathan Delisle
    112 R Niklas Anger
    138 C Boyd Olson
    164 D Stephane Robidas
    190 Greg Hart
    216 C Eric Houde


    1996
    18 C Matt Higgins
    44 G Mathieu Garon
    71 R Arron Asham

    92 C Kim Staal
    99 C Etienne Drapeau
    127 D Daniel Archambault
    154 D Brett Clark (can't believe this guy had such a great year for Colorado. He was horrid in Montreal)
    181 L Timo Vertala
    207 Mattia Baldi
    233 Michel Tremblay

    1997
    11 R Jason Ward
    37 R Gregor Baumgartner
    65 D Ilkka Mikkola
    91 D Daniel Tetrault
    118 D Konstantin Sidulov
    122 D Gennady Razin
    145 D Jonathan Desroches
    172 C Ben Guite
    197 D Petr Kubos
    202 R Andrei Sidyakin
    228 D Jarl Ygranes


    1998
    16 C Eric Chouinard
    45 C Mike Ribeiro
    75 D Francois Beauchemin

    132 R Andre Bashkirov
    152 L Gordie Dwyer
    162 . Andrei Markov
    189 D Andrei Kruchinin
    201 L Craig Murray
    216 L Michael Ryder
    247 R Darcy Harris

    1999
    39 R Alexander Buturlin
    58 D Matt Carkner
    97 D Chris Dyment
    107 G Evan Lindsay
    136 L Dusty Jamieson
    145 R Marc-Andre Thinel
    150 D Matt Shasby
    167 D Sean Dixon
    196 G Vadim Tarasov
    225 Mikko Hyytia
    253 L Jerome Marois

    2000
    13 D Ron Hainsey
    16 L Marcel Hossa

    78 W Jozef Balej
    79 D Tyler Hanchuck
    109 Johan Eneqvist
    114 C Christian Larrivee
    145 D Ryan Glenn
    172 C Scott Selig
    182 D Petr Chvojka
    243 G Joni Puurula
    275 D Jonathan Gauthier


    2001
    7 D Mike Komisarek
    25 R Alexander Perezhogin

    37 W Duncan Milroy
    71 C Tomas Plekanec
    109 D Martti Jarventie
    171 C Eric Himelfarb
    203 D Andrew Archer
    266 W Viktor Ujcik

    2002
    14 C Chris Higgins
    45 D Tomas Linhart
    99 L Michael Lambert
    182 W Andre Deveaux
    212 R Jonathan Ferland (could make the team next fall)
    275 D Konstantin Korneyev

    2003
    10 W Andrei Kostitsyn (could make the team next fall)
    40 C Cory Urquhart
    61 C Maxim Lapierre (could make the team next fall)
    79 D Ryan O'Byrne
    113 C Corey Locke
    123 L Dany Stewart
    177 G Christopher Heino-Lindberg
    188 D Mark Flood
    217 Oskari Korpikari
    241 L Jimmy Bonneau
    271 G Jaroslav Halak

    2004
    18 C Kyle Chipchura (could make the team next fall)
    84 D Alexei Yemelin (could make the team next fall)
    100 R J.T. Wyman
    150 C Mikhail Grabovsky (could make the team next fall)
    181 G Loic Lacasse
    212 D Jon Gleed
    246 R Greg Stewart
    262 D Mark Streit
    278 D Alexandre Dulac-Lemelin

    2005
    5 G Carey Price
    45 R Guillaume Latendresse (could make the team next fall)
    121 F Juraj Mikus
    130 C Mathieu Aubin
    190 R Matt D'Agostini
    200 Siarhei Kastsitsyn
    229 Philippe Paquet


    16 regular NHLers. Could be up to 20 or so a year from now.
     
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    Psst, you have Pierre Dagenais on there twice ;)
     
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    exactly... i must say though boston looks the best to me, given their positions.
     
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    You forgot Matt Stajan, Danny Markov, Carlo Colaiacovo, Johnathan Hedstrom, Alexie Ponikarovsky and Tomas Kaberle that brings the Leafs total to 13
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    Ponikarovsky , Modin, Yannick Tremblay, and Jonathon Hedstrom brings it to 15.
     
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    Plus Allan Rourke, Staffan Kronwall and Maxim Kondratiev that brings the total to 18.

    F Adam Mair, F Nik Antropov, F Brad Boyes, G Mikael Tellqvist, D Karel Pilar, F Kyle Wellwood, F Alexander Steen, F Matt Stajan, D Danny Markov, D Carlo Colaiacovo, F Johnathan Hedstrom, F Alexie Ponikarovsky,D Tomas Kaberle, F Fredrik Modin, D Yannick Trembley, D Allan Rourke, D Staffan Kronwall and D Maxim Kondratiev.
     
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