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The native of Spokane, Washington, Frye, 23, participated in the Sharks Development Camp this past summer and just completed his senior season at the University of Alaska-Fairbanks where he paced the Nanooks in points (34), goals (11), assists (23), and penalty minutes (100), while skating in 35 games.
Happy for Brodeur, hope he proves people wrong.
I’m surprised the Barracuda signed another dman. They have Roy, Brodzinski, Fitzgerald, Bergman, Middleton and DeSimone signed through next season on NHL deals. Simek is an RFA, and supposedly the Sharks really like his progress. Maybe they’re gonna move some of those guys.From the Zach Frye article:
I am guessing him being almost 24 could be something to do with that. The closest player on that team in points had 23, in 1 more game.
I’m surprised the Barracuda signed another dman. They have Roy, Brodzinski, Fitzgerald, Bergman, Middleton and DeSimone signed through next season on NHL deals. Simek is an RFA, and supposedly the Sharks really like his progress. Maybe they’re gonna move some of those guys.
That all makes sense, I'm kind of hoping they plan on signing another Undrafted college free agent like DeSimone. I can't imagine Shoemaker is gonna get an ELC. I figured Frye will probably play quite a bit in Allen no matter what happens above him.Brodzinski seems like a good candidate to phase out given that he's been passed by basically everyone else on the depth chart and hasn't seized his opportunities. Also maybe they're figuring they just can't count on Roy with his injury history. Maybe this is also Simek insurance in the event that he decides to head back to Europe.
That all makes sense, I'm kind of hoping they plan on signing another Undrafted college free agent like DeSimone. I can't imagine Shoemaker is gonna get an ELC. I figured Frye will probably play quite a bit in Allen no matter what happens above him.
The Sharks just suck at drafting defenseman because they target the worst defensive defenseman they can find. The list is long and hilarious.I'm not going to get too far into it because I'm hanging onto a concept for something interesting to use in the off-season, but Shoemaker pretty much the worst prospect the Sharks have and it's not particularly close. I'd honestly question if he's got a pro future at any level of hockey, never mind any consideration for the Sharks signing him.
I know you can't get too worked up over a 6th round selection since the draft is nothing but lottery tickets at that point, but it pisses me off that we could've had Ty Ronning instead of wasting that pick on Shoemaker. And that the difference is stark between Shoemaker and the guy picked 30 selections after him with the penultimate selection of that draft, Joachim Blichfeld.
At least we still have Ferraro. Sharks haven't had many promising defensive picks outside of Ryan, Roy, and Ferraro. Too bad Roy might be broken. 3 years of season ending knee injuries must be hard on the mind and body.The Sharks just suck at drafting defenseman because they target the worst defensive defenseman they can find. The list is long and hilarious.
The Sharks just suck at drafting defenseman because they target the worst defensive defenseman they can find. The list is long and hilarious.
That was 13 years ago, but obviously not.So Vlasic was a bad pick?
The Sharks just suck at drafting defenseman because they target the worst defensive defenseman they can find. The list is long and hilarious.
So Vlasic was a bad pick?
The Sharks just had a habit of drafting at least one of those guys every year. MacLeod belongs in the list of dmen devoid of offensive ability as he scored 2 goals and 27 points in 4 years in college. You could also include Wrenn, DeLory and Julien Demers in that category. Another disturbing trend of theirs was drafting large, strong dmen with questionable skating ability and/or hockey IQ like Taylor Doherty, Alexis Vanier and to a lesser extent Nick Petrecki. This past year was very encouraging with the drafting of Ferraro, and the signing of Simek and DeSimone. At least it looks like they're heading in a positive direction in terms of the attributes they're targeting. We'll see if they stick to it.It feels like the logical extension of the same sort of draft philosophy that informs their general drafting strategy and their preference for the "safe" or "high floor" guy with intangibles and grit and all that stuff. At the high end they take the Norris/Coyle/Hertl/Mike Morris type guys who seem like they'll probably be something even if that means they won't be cornerstone 1st liners. Later in teh draft instead of taking high skill lottery tickets it turns into taking gritty grindy high-motor, high-work-ethic players that I guess they figure will work harder to make something of themselves, even if history proves that those types aren't necessarily less likely to totally bust.
You're right, Shoemaker is the latest in the long line of Watson, Ausmus, Parsells, Cukste, Sefton, Bielke types of rugged gritty lower-skill rearguards.
The funny thing is that the guys that make it tend to even start out as decent offensive d-men in the amateur ranks. Even DeMelo put up 27 points in his draft year. The guys in that list above had:
Bielke 25 pts in 47 GP (German Jr)
Cukste 15 pts in 56 GP (MHL)
Shoemaker 13 pts in 67 GP (OHL)
Sefton 11 pts in 66 GP (OHL)
Watson 8 pts in 58 GP (USHL)
Ausmus 7 pts in 26 GP (USHL)
Parsells 0 pts in 3 GP (USHL)
I don't have the research to bear it out, but it feels like there was a span in the mid-to-late 2000s where they picked more d-men with offensive pop, but most of them flamed out (Konrad Abeltshauser, Isaac MacLeod, Julien Demers, Sam Groulx, James DeLory, and Will Colbert) and they got gunshy about the idea of the boom/bust type.
Though that span also produced Vlasic (who had pop), Jason Demers (ditto), Braun (limited offence in draft year), and to a lesser extent Derek Joslin (offensively capable), so....
I could very easily simply be drawing an erroneous conclusion based on a really cursory look at the list and trying to support a pre-determined conclusion. I'd actually have to work on proving/disproving this idea.
Whatever doubts people have..proves people wrong about what?
The Sharks just had a habit of drafting at least one of those guys every year. MacLeod belongs in the list of dmen devoid of offensive ability as he scored 2 goals and 27 points in 4 years in college. You could also include Wrenn, DeLory and Julien Demers in that category. Another disturbing trend of theirs was drafting large, strong dmen with questionable skating ability and/or hockey IQ like Taylor Doherty, Alexis Vanier and to a lesser extent Nick Petrecki. This past year was very encouraging with the drafting of Ferraro, and the signing of Simek and DeSimone. At least it looks like they're heading in a positive direction in terms of the attributes they're targeting. We'll see if they stick to it.
Whatever doubts people have..
18 not 28
proves people wrong about what?