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oobga

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Anyone have an educated opinion on the coaching down with our AHL team now? Team seems like a pretty consistent disappointment these days.
 

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Anyone have an educated opinion on the coaching down with our AHL team now? Team seems like a pretty consistent disappointment these days.
I don't think the coaching is bad per say. Just very bad at getting anything out of prospects it seems.
 
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I don't think the coaching is bad per say. Just very bad at getting anything out of prospects it seems.
I think that would pretty much define bad coaching.

If you can't get some added value and squeeze the most out of your players... that's a coaching failure.

I'm not saying they are failures... just saying that's the definition of bad coaching from my view.
 

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I think that would pretty much define bad coaching.

If you can't get some added value and squeeze the most out of your players... that's a coaching failure.

I'm not saying they are failures... just saying that's the definition of bad coaching from my view.
He can coach a team to some success even with a mediocre lineup.
His fault is he likes using the vets to much.

So as a coach he isn't bad. As a development league coach. He is bad.
 

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He can coach a team to some success even with a mediocre lineup.
His fault is he likes using the vets to much.

So as a coach he isn't bad. As a development league coach. He is bad.

That seems like a common thing with some AHL coaches. They are more focused on building their resume than they are on helping the big team out. If that is what's going on here, it's hard to blame anyone for that, they are trying to make a career. Flemming has been in the coaching game for a good 20 years it looks like, can't blame him for wanting to try to climb the ladder. It's up to the oilers org to make the change though if they don't like what they're seeing.
 

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That seems like a common thing with some AHL coaches. They are more focused on building their resume than they are on helping the big team out. If that is what's going on here, it's hard to blame anyone for that, they are trying to make a career. Flemming has been in the coaching game for a good 20 years it looks like, can't blame him for wanting to try to climb the ladder. It's up to the oilers org to make the change though if they don't like what they're seeing.
I really wish we had hired Kris Knoblauch for Bakersfield somehow. I know he is an assistant coach for the Flyers now but damn.
He would of been great on the farm and been right in line to take over for McLellan.
 
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He can coach a team to some success even with a mediocre lineup.
His fault is he likes using the vets to much.

So as a coach he isn't bad. As a development league coach. He is bad.

I think this is basically a myth that stems from a few snippets of how Pulju was used.

You can't blame him for not playing non-prospect, borderline AHL players like Chase, Platzer, Betker, Christoffer, etc. more.

Actual prospects like Lander, Slepyshev, Laleggia, Khaira, Reinhart, etc. were getting tons of ice time last season.

It looks like all the young players(outside Paigin who seems to be the odd man out in the logjam at D) are being heavily relied upon this year.
 

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According to what I read Puljujarvi didn't get quite the coaching he'd needed last year. I hope and believe it's better this year. The fans feel strongly (and correctly IMO) that the way the Oilers have developed players is far from perfect, and thus they kind of need Pulju to succeed to save their faces.

What bothers me a bit is that when Pulju was sent down to the AHL both Chiarelli and Fleming said they want to concentrate on the defensive side of the game. At the same time that was one area that was going well in the autumn. If it's true they spent the time concentrating mainly on defensive issues it may be too much expect him to be highly productive (over 1ppg) in the few preseason games.
 

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Anyone have an educated opinion on the coaching down with our AHL team now? Team seems like a pretty consistent disappointment these days.
I'd assume having a massive turnover in talent and only being a few games in is the real issue here.
 

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According to what I read Puljujarvi didn't get quite the coaching he'd needed last year. I hope and believe it's better this year. The fans feel strongly (and correctly IMO) that the way the Oilers have developed players is far from perfect, and thus they kind of need Pulju to succeed to save their faces.

What bothers me a bit is that when Pulju was sent down to the AHL both Chiarelli and Fleming said they want to concentrate on the defensive side of the game. At the same time that was one area that was going well in the autumn. If it's true they spent the time concentrating mainly on defensive issues it may be too much expect him to be highly productive (over 1ppg) in the few preseason games.
Part of the issue is his language. Not just the simply go stand here by a coach. But how does JP take things when the coach gives him negative feedback. Does JP fully understand why or is down on himself because he doesn't know why the coach is mad.

As for him working on defense. Strudwick pointed out a lot of simple plays that JP needs to make. It's not really just about playing defense, at times the guy isn't in the right spot or goes to the wrong spot. I think a lot of what JP needs is positioning.

Edit: With that being said the one thing I don't get is why the Oilers aren't looking into bringing a specialist coach for JP. Its safe to say that if JP had a successful career the Oilers would probably invest 40-50mil in this guy? So why not get someone in that can help mentor him along and coach him? I know it's a bit out of the ordinary, but what does it really cost to get JP his own coach to help out? No AHL Head coach is going to have time to sit there and spend one on one time with the guy, so hire a player development guy that can.
 
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Part of the issue is his language. Not just the simply go stand here by a coach. But how does JP take things when the coach gives him negative feedback. Does JP fully understand why or is down on himself because he doesn't know why the coach is mad.

As for him working on defense. Strudwick pointed out a lot of simple plays that JP needs to make. It's not really just about playing defense, at times the guy isn't in the right spot or goes to the wrong spot. I think a lot of what JP needs is positioning.

Edit: With that being said the one thing I don't get is why the Oilers aren't looking into bringing a specialist coach for JP. Its safe to say that if JP had a successful career the Oilers would probably invest 40-50mil in this guy? So why not get someone in that can help mentor him along and coach him? I know it's a bit out of the ordinary, but what does it really cost to get JP his own coach to help out? No AHL Head coach is going to have time to sit there and spend one on one time with the guy, so hire a player development guy that can.

That is actually a really good point. If you had a really valuable asset that needed to be developed why wouldnt you do everything possible to make this happen? In baseball they have translators for players who are with the player/team all the time to help them adjust. Sure bringing in a guy like Jokenin is great but does it really help if their plan was to have Jussi in the AHL anyways?
 

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That is actually a really good point. If you had a really valuable asset that needed to be developed why wouldnt you do everything possible to make this happen? In baseball they have translators for players who are with the player/team all the time to help them adjust. Sure bringing in a guy like Jokenin is great but does it really help if their plan was to have Jussi in the AHL anyways?
Where's the other Jokienen, sign him for the AHL.;)
 
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Part of the issue is his language. Not just the simply go stand here by a coach. But how does JP take things when the coach gives him negative feedback. Does JP fully understand why or is down on himself because he doesn't know why the coach is mad.

As for him working on defense. Strudwick pointed out a lot of simple plays that JP needs to make. It's not really just about playing defense, at times the guy isn't in the right spot or goes to the wrong spot. I think a lot of what JP needs is positioning.

Edit: With that being said the one thing I don't get is why the Oilers aren't looking into bringing a specialist coach for JP. Its safe to say that if JP had a successful career the Oilers would probably invest 40-50mil in this guy? So why not get someone in that can help mentor him along and coach him? I know it's a bit out of the ordinary, but what does it really cost to get JP his own coach to help out? No AHL Head coach is going to have time to sit there and spend one on one time with the guy, so hire a player development guy that can.

The idea about the specialist coach is very good. As you said we're not talking about huge money here, and it would probably bring much more to the team in return. However, some coaches may think it's some kind of an attack against them and may not be so excited about that kind of things.

As for the language, I don't think that's a big issue in this case. Already at the start of the last year Jesse had no big trouble understanding English, and by the time he went to the AHL I'm sure that was not a problem at all.

And the defense, I see what you mean. However, I think some (or none) of those things were too obvious while Jesse was playing in the NHL. People were very happy about that side and his corsis and +- stats were the best or among the best of the team until the benching started. I didn't see the last games (the ones he had in the 3rd and 4th lines between being benched) and obviously they were more difficult, so maybe that explains something.
 

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The idea about the specialist coach is very good. As you said we're not talking about huge money here, and it would probably bring much more to the team in return. However, some coaches may think it's some kind of an attack against them and may not be so excited about that kind of things.

As for the language, I don't think that's a big issue in this case. Already at the start of the last year Jesse had no big trouble understanding English, and by the time he went to the AHL I'm sure that was not a problem at all.

And the defense, I see what you mean. However, I think some (or none) of those things were too obvious while Jesse was playing in the NHL. People were very happy about that side and his corsis and +- stats were the best or among the best of the team until the benching started. I didn't see the last games (the ones he had in the 3rd and 4th lines between being benched) and obviously they were more difficult, so maybe that explains something.
Teams already have player development roles, so it's not like is something that is way out of left field. That and look at the amount of guys that hire Adam Oates or Gary Roberts to help them out. At the end of the day if the AHL doesn't like it, then you find someone that is open to it.
 

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Teams already have player development roles, so it's not like is something that is way out of left field. That and look at the amount of guys that hire Adam Oates or Gary Roberts to help them out. At the end of the day if the AHL doesn't like it, then you find someone that is open to it.

Okay, thank you for the info! I don't know much about that side in the AHL, so I thought maybe many of the head coaches concentrate on the team doing well and their own careers, so they might take it personally if a special player coach is suggested. But obviously that is not the case.

The thing I'm a bit worried about is the time they spend traveling in coaches, as I keep hearing it is pretty tough to the players. Of course you travel quite a bit in the NHL too. At least Bakersfield is a pretty central location in the division, I suppose they fly to the games in Texas?
 

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Okay, thank you for the info! I don't know much about that side in the AHL, so I thought maybe many of the head coaches concentrate on the team doing well and their own careers, so they might take it personally if a special player coach is suggested. But obviously that is not the case.

The thing I'm a bit worried about is the time they spend traveling in coaches, as I keep hearing it is pretty tough to the players. Of course you travel quite a bit in the NHL too. At least Bakersfield is a pretty central location in the division, I suppose they fly to the games in Texas?
The NHL team generally has those player development guys. They kinda just work all over, but you really never hear what they ever really do.

As for the travel, the one lucky thing is we are in a division that plays 8 less games than the rest. So it could be a lot worse.
 

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Do we have anyone watching the games this year? We has a few posters last year and before that a good crew watching OKC. Would be nice to hear updates about the team.
 
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Do we have anyone watching the games this year? We has a few posters last year and before that a good crew watching OKC. Would be nice to hear updates about the team.
The OKC media was incredible, Eric Rodgers Neal Livingston Patricia Teter were all great follows and the Barons game day Twitter account tweeting out 20 or so PBP tweets a game was fantastic.

I want to watch Bakersfield games but the streaming site I was using no longer has AHL and CHL games and AHL live is to expensive especially when I live out in the country and have garbage internet and have to use my Cell data just not practical.

I was hoping TSN would show Canadian teams AHL affiliate games a few times a year, it's an exciting team down there.
 
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The OKC media was incredible, Eric Rodgers Neal Livingston Patricia Teter were all great follows and the Barons game day Twitter account tweeting out 20 or so PBP tweets a game was fantastic.

I want to watch Bakersfield games but the streaming site I was using no longer has AHL and CHL games and AHL live is to expensive especially when I live out in the country and have garbage internet and have to use my Cell data just not practical.

I was hoping TSN would show Canadian teams AHL affiliate games a few times a year, it's an exciting team down there.

Ah too bad. That explains the reduced updates we're getting. In general the broadcasting of hockey is pretty bad but I agree, TSN definitely could have drawn some viewers if they shower Canadian affiliate games.
 

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Ah too bad. That explains the reduced updates we're getting. In general the broadcasting of hockey is pretty bad but I agree, TSN definitely could have drawn some viewers if they shower Canadian affiliate games.

All TSN showed last season was 9 Marlie games. The only other source was Leafs TV. TSN could definitely show games from the States. Much of TSN's programming comes from other sources so it wouldn't be a stretch. I guess having 12 hours of SportsCentre or Top 50 lists brings in more viewers.

Strange thing is that I can find all the televised games from last season on the AHL website. So far, I can't even find a link on their site to this year.
 

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All TSN showed last season was 9 Marlie games. The only other source was Leafs TV. TSN could definitely show games from the States. Much of TSN's programming comes from other sources so it wouldn't be a stretch. I guess having 12 hours of SportsCentre or Top 50 lists brings in more viewers.

Strange thing is that I can find all the televised games from last season on the AHL website. So far, I can't even find a link on their site to this year.
Not just that, but they usually have the same thing on 4 of the channels, with only 1 channel being different.

What is the point of having 5 channels if 90% of the time I have no option on what I can watch
 

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Condors win 3-1 against the winless Reign. Bear with 1G, 1A which gives him 2G and 2A in 5 games. Puljujarvi now has 7 shots and is +1 with 2A in 5 games. He has 3 shots and no points in the last 3 games. I'm hoping that this is a result of the things they're asking him to work on and not him just being underwhelming.
 
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