Melrose Munch
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What are some examples of bad team scorers? I.E people on perennial non playoff or expansion teams that had good seasons?
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I'm not sure how many 'good' seasons Taylor Hall has had, but he has been a 1st-line guy basically every season of his 7+ year career, and never been in the playoffs.
The best-ever case of big scorer on bad-ish team must be Marcel Dionne on both the mid-70s Wings and of course the Kings (though they had one good season, 1980-81).
Would Tyler Bozak qualify as a bad team scorer?
i think the meaning of bad team scorer here isn't just a guy who scored a lot of points who happened to play on bad teams. a bad team scorer, idiomatically, is a player who's best suited to scoring but isn't good enough to play a scoring role on most competitive teams so he keeps finding himself as a scorer on bad teams. usually, due to some deficiency, whether it's being small or slow or weak or just not good a defense, the player doesn't make sense as a complementary player and only fits as the best of a bad bunch, putting up decent numbers with prime icetime.
i used to think ray whitney was a bad team scorer. in fact, i still might even though he ended up playing 100+ playoff games and winning a cup.
Great way of phrasing this. It's like I say, it means a lot more to be one of the faces of a perennial cup contender or a cup winner (e.g., Modano) than it does to be a higher scorer on a team that accomplishes nothing (e.g., Yashin).
I retract Palffy from my above post, I think he was a victim of circumstance more than the other two. Jokinen and Yashin to me are still "bad team scorers", as in they put up great numbers on teams that had no pressure and had no chance, and I'm not convinced they could ever do that on a top team.
Other names that come to mind: Craig Janney, Robert Reichel, Ray Ferraro.
i agree with 29gh, yashin wasn’t a bad team scorer. he was a superstar level player who sucked in the playoffs.
ray ferraro had an excellent run with the islanders in’93, and unless i’m mistaken he set up volek’s 2OT one-timer to stun the penguins.
janney is an odd case—you would expect to be the quintessential bad team player: soft, doesn't play d, doesn’t shoot, winger-dependent playmaker. but he has a surprisingly good playoff record, putting up 101 points in 101 playoff games over his first eight years, winning eleven playoff series, playing in two finaks, and coming out of the first round in all but two years. over his entire career he only missed the playoffs once, in his last season.
This definition makes for a more fascinating topic, but also a more difficult challenge to isolate such players. A starting point might be for players who scored a ton, but have a low amount of playoff games, and then when they played for playoff-calibre teams, immediately saw a drop in production.i think the meaning of bad team scorer here isn't just a guy who scored a lot of points who happened to play on bad teams. a bad team scorer, idiomatically, is a player who's best suited to scoring but isn't good enough to play a scoring role on most competitive teams so he keeps finding himself as a scorer on bad teams. usually, due to some deficiency, whether it's being small or slow or weak or just not good a defense, the player doesn't make sense as a complementary player and only fits as the best of a bad bunch, putting up decent numbers with prime icetime.
i used to think ray whitney was a bad team scorer. in fact, i still might even though he ended up playing 100+ playoff games and winning a cup.