Post-Game Talk: Babcock and "Gud Pros" let Leafs down AGAIN!

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  1. Throw More Waffles

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    We outshot them and I think Chances were pretty even. Our goalies it seemed could only make saves on peripheral shots (and sometimes struggled on those), while Rask was a wall.
     
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    I think literally everyone knows we got into a hole only due to goalies/bad puck luck (like what, 3 deflection goals?). And we could whine a bit about the refs too, sure the PPs equaled up in the end but giving a team a 4-1 lead in PPs when there was plenty of calls going missed is crazy too.

    But who is responsible for the things we can control (not refs/puck luck/goalie performance) is Babcock first and foremost, and then the players. A horrid game readiness to start to game one, the 3rd period of game 1 and 3rd period of game 2 is where I find it most responsible on Babs through changing up how we played to try to grind out a safe game, not loading up our lines and shortening the bench, etc etc. Hell hes had 4 blatant bench mistakes with the 2 too many men penalties, missing the offsides challenge, and forcing Dermott to change when there wasn't enough time. those are most definitely purely on Babs.

    That's probably why most discussion is on Babs and the players.
     
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    Pastarnak also scored on every shot it seemed. Way too much time in the slot with no pressure.
     
  4. Ziggdiezan

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    The biggest mistake Babcock made was trying too hard to chase the matchups leading to a ton of really badly timed line changes.
     
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    Yep. If you are the away team and trying to hard match, you're making a mistake no ifs ands or buts about it. You're supposed to make the home team chase the matchups and score when they make mistakes doing it
     
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    So fans arent allowed to criticize? LOL.
     
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    Begins was boss too.
     
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    They can but expect for people to criticize them aswell
     
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    I feel like its virtually a given that he's offered a cheap 1-year deal for next season.

    He's playing bottom 6 minutes with 0 offensive production - i dont think he will have many other suitors.

    Id expect him back.
     
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    ....?
     
  11. dsred

    dsred Babcock Gonna Babcock

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    Another useless Babcock Defense League™ Appeal to Authority Fallacy.

    Awesome post dude! :thumbu::(:rolleyes:
     
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    Just got back a 12 hour drive through freezing rain and snow. I am too old for this stuff that was my last one. lets all bring a positive attitude to rink tomorrow night. Hope they just simplify their games. Let Babs make the lines. Pray Anderson was just a victim of poor defence and bad bounces. Bring da speed. Hope defence can just cover net front and not let Bruins get behind them. Hope Matthews can lead the team. KISS.
     
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    Except that game 2 was the result of terrible goaltending and some terrible missed calls by the officials. The compete level from all our skaters was there, Gardiner played like ****, Rielly was average at best but overall we competed with them. Our goaltending was horrific, they got away with 2 penalties, directly leading to their first 2 goals. Then another missed call when they went up high on Marner AGAIN, and Hainsey got the only penalty, resulting in a 3rd goal directly related to a missed penalty. Officials were brutal, hopefully they wake up and start doing their job sometime soon.

    I don't think we played overly well, but if those calls are made we at least have a chance to win game 2. Can't miss calls like that.

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    DeBrusk plays with a broken stick, we get a penalty moments later
    Hit up high on Marner
    Countless hooks
     
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    Haha that too
     
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    What keeps me goin is the fact that in 2013 we had a worse team down 3-1 to Boston and came within seconds of winning the series.
     
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    personally I think the Leafs have passed the tough-guy test with flying colors. The team isn't losing because they haven't shown fight, they're losing because they can't play hockey at the same time. At least not as well as Boston can. I could see losing respect for a team getting discombobulated when they get hit, I don't particularly like teas like that either, but I haven't seen anything cowardly from them I've seen hainsey sticking up for teammates, kadri sticking up for teammates, kappanen sticking up for teammates, Matthews crosschecking chara right back and standing up for himself, reilly and gardiner fighting like hell against nash, Hyman smashing people, jvr smashing people, even mitch marner has been throwing out hits. I actually gained respect for them on the tough-guy side it just sucks they can't play hockey at the same time like a team of "gud pros" can (still can't fathom why people are using "this" series to make fun of old-school pros but whatever)
     
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    Matthews was pissed, but also have to control your emotions. If you are too unhinged going in it's only going to make it worse.
     
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    I'm fairly certain it's been referenced in this thread, but it's 1993 1st round against Detroit Red Wings. e lost the first 2 games 6-3 and 6-2.
     
  19. dsred

    dsred Babcock Gonna Babcock

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    Nith, I consider you to be one of the more reasonable posters here. So, I don't understand how even you think that the "blame" problem is an EITHER/OR proposition.

    It is in fact likely that BOTH are to blame. IMO Babcock does not put his players in the best position to succeed. That said the players are still underperforming.

    I blame all of them for this piss poor effort.

    However, the bottom line is that the coach is still held responsible, because you can't trade all of the players. The leader takes the blame.

    EDIT: MISREAD YOUR POST. IT APPEARS WE ARE ON THE SAME PAGE.
     
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    At this stage, while anything can happen, I just want to see improvement in the next game, a sense that they have some fight in them win or lose.
     
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    The early PP advantage can be a huge factor in the outcome! Then the refs try to even it up later it seems. Playing with the lead is simpler than trying to comeback!
    I agree with the responsibility of the needless bench minors,however ,someone on these boards insists its on the player.
    Maybe that's true,not sure!
    Wasn't happy with Babs strategy, but he isn't the one out there!
     
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    dsred Babcock Gonna Babcock

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    Epic post. Epic. And I agree.
     
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    I don't think there is a coach in all the planet that would escape your keen hockey mind.

    Me thinks your wasting your time sharing your hockey insight with us lowly hockey fans...you should be coaching bud! Job starts at 6 mil a year. Go get your worth!
     
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    dsred Babcock Gonna Babcock

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    Keep it going' dude! You rock!:thumbu:
     
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    Fans are allowed to do whatever they want. Even to make themselves look foolish when they call a NHL coach names and hold themselves up to a higher level.
     
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