Awesome Auston Discussion thread

[Menzinger]

Why is easy...he is a pain in the rear end to deal with...always has been and I see no reason to think it will change now besides unless he gets close to the league lead in scoring this year he will slot in around 10.5m based on production. Now winning a major trophy would change that.

Well Eichel got 10 mil based on near PPG pace. Matthews will likely actually hit PPG this year and then factor in his high goal scoring totals, and the fact that he’s the new face of the franchise......

As a fan I hope the Leafs get a good deals on him, but would wager anything Matthews doesn’t get a dime under 11 mil on his new deal.

And some of Lou’s contracts haven’t been great either, I mean Hyman got a partial NTC

 

[Walshy7]

Whatever he gets is fine by me. He is a top10 arguably top5 player in the league. You pay them and squeeze everyone under them to save cap space. Be a leaf thing if we search 10 years for a 1c, not only get a 1c but a franchise player and then nickle and dime him in a contract, possibly even creating bad blood. No thanks

 

[Buds17]

His on-ice performance (goal/point totals, awards?) the rest of the way should determine his contract more than the cap increase. The increase will help provide more wiggle room against the cap for teams that'll need it.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

If he keeps playing like he has lately (injured?), not as high as people are saying.

 

[diceman934]

Well Eichel got 10 mil based on near PPG pace. Matthews will likely actually hit PPG this year and then factor in his high goal scoring totals, and the fact that he’s the new face of the franchise......

As a fan I hope the Leafs get a good deals on him, but would wager anything Matthews doesn’t get a dime under 11 mil on his new deal.

And some of Lou’s contracts haven’t been great either, I mean Hyman got a partial NTC

Eichel contract is an over payment by a team in a mess. Mathews will get more then 10M per but less then 11m per unless he wins a major trophy. He may not sign a contract until after the next season if his year this year is not a top 10 in scoring. If he waits then he is more likely to get more money.

 

[Advanced stats]

11 million, +/- $500 000.

 

[nobody]

Nylander 6.5 * 8
Marner 6.5 * 8
Matty 10 * 8

Matthews seems like the type of guy that would sacrifice a bit of money for the betterment of the team.

Cap going is allows us to potentially keep JVR should we choose to. Otherwise we're looking at a solid 14-16$ mil available for free agency this year. I wouldn't mind saving up on cap this year and not dipping into free agency, so the following year we can drive the money truck to karlsson. Jake's contract is up by then too.

 

[Anthrax442]

i am truly surprised Canadian Tire isn't making deals with him.

yet

 

[BayStreetBully]

Just the beginning for Matthews and he and his people know it. Lots of scoffing by people at the notion of being the star Leaf would lead to huge endorsements, Matthews is going to hit a stratosphere never seen in Canada and only surpassed by a few worldwide.
Florida tax rates and privacy are advantages this guy will make a fortune outside of his playing contract.

Auston hitting the endorsement jackpot by virtue of being a Leaf superstar. The amount received by this endorsement probably having taken account Matthews actually being a Leaf, and had he not been a Leaf, he probably would have received less endorsement amount for being the same caliber player elsewhere.

It’s just the beginning, like you said. Maybe this gives him tangible evidence to realize that he can sign a team friendly contract with us, and STILL make the most money among all NHL players through endorsements. Florida has low taxes. We have hockey endorsements.

 

[Pinto]

Hyman and Brown have completely shut Matthews down.

This might be the first time I’ve ever agreed with you.

 

[Mess]

Eichel contract is an over payment by a team in a mess. Mathews will get more then 10M per but less then 11m per unless he wins a major trophy. He may not sign a contract until after the next season if his year this year is not a top 10 in scoring. If he waits then he is more likely to get more money.

Star players negotiate contracts based on "Cap Hit % of Cap Ceiling" ie C.H% ..

McDavid got C.H.%

: 16.67 of $76 mil = $12.5 AAV

The longer Matthews waits and the higher the Cap ceiling rises the larger his AAV and contract becomes.

If the Cap goes up to $82 mil this summer than even if Matthews accepts a say C.H. 15 % = $12.3 mil AAV, but if he waits to year 3 and Cap ceiling rises again to say $85 mil (+3 Mil) than .15% of that new ceiling = $12.75 mil AAV.

Potential differential by waiting to re-sign = +$450k per season.. The amount of less than < $500k per season might not make waiting worth while, risking injury or slump to lower his ask.

Pat Brisson (Auston's agent) based on this could simply negotiate a C.H 15.5% instead of 15% and get to $12.70 mil AAV next summer. (or split the difference somewhere in-between) to sign early.

Bottom line the rising salary cap ceiling will see Matthews get close to McDavid AAV even if he takes 15-15.5% C.H. instead of McDavids 16.67 C.H%.

 

[Legion34]

Star players negotiate contracts based on "Cap Hit % of Cap Ceiling" ie C.H% ..

McDavid got C.H.%

: 16.67 of $76 mil = $12.5 AAV

The longer Matthews waits and the higher the Cap ceiling rises the larger his AAV and contract becomes.

If the Cap goes up to $82 mil this summer than even if Matthews accepts a say C.H. 15 % = $12.3 mil AAV, but if he waits to year 3 and Cap ceiling rises again to say $85 mil (+3 Mil) than .15% of that new ceiling = $12.75 mil AAV.

Potential differential by waiting to re-sign = +$450k per season.. The amount of less than < $500k per season might not make waiting worth while, risking injury or slump to lower his ask.

Pat Brisson (Auston's agent) based on this could simply negotiate a C.H 15.5% instead of 15% and get to $12.70 mil AAV next summer. (or split the difference somewhere in-between) to sign early.

Bottom line the rising salary cap ceiling will see Matthews get close to McDavid AAV even if he takes 15-15.5% C.H. instead of McDavids 16.67 C.H%.

Sorry but it’s really not true. At all. History has repeatedly shown us that.

First. If it were true. Agents would just sign percentage contracts.

Second. THe big boys set the ceiling. Not percentages. Ovy and Malkin set the ceiling for years in max salary despite the cap increasing by like 20 million. A winger will have to do a lot to ask for more than kane. (Benn signed for less).

Mcdavid set the ceiling. Unless Matthews wins awards there is no way he signs for 12

 

[Mess]

Sorry but it’s really not true. At all. History has repeatedly shown us that.

First. If it were true. Agents would just sign percentage contracts.

Second. THe big boys set the ceiling. Not percentages. Ovy and Malkin set the ceiling for years in max salary despite the cap increasing by like 20 million. A winger will have to do a lot to ask for more than kane. (Benn signed for less).

Mcdavid set the ceiling. Unless Matthews wins awards there is no way he signs for 12

You will see that Matthews contract won't be a flat # request but Pat Brisson in known for negotiating modus operandi and % figure based on salary cap for his clients.. He did the same for Crosby and Toews, Kane and Kopitar for example.

Cap Hit % of Cap Ceiling is going to be the method behind Auston's next contract and the negotiating figure as to what is the fair percentage of the Leafs total Cap that Matthews will get..

 

[Legion34]

You will see that Matthews contract won't be a flat # request but Pat Brisson in known for negotiating modus operandi and % figure based on salary cap for his clients.. He did the same for Crosby and Toews, Kane and Kopitar for example.

Cap Hit % of Cap Ceiling is going to be the method behind Auston's next contract and the negotiating figure as to what is the fair percentage of the Leafs total Cap that Matthews will get..

He wont get more than mcdavid n

 

[Nithoniniel]

This might be the first time I’ve ever agreed with you.

Yeah. It looked better last season, but lately it's felt like Hyman and Brown fight each other for puck retrievals and positions. Between the two of them, they somehow constantly managed to shrink all open ice.

 

[Mess]

He wont get more than mcdavid n

Depends on how much the salary cap increases and when he signs his new deal as in summer 2018 or 2019.

I agree his C.H % will be less than McDavid = 16.67%, and I suspect somewhere in the range of 15% to 15.5%, which would be 1 to 1.5 % percentage points less than McDavid received.

However 16.67% of $76 mil cap = $12.5 mil AAV but 15% of $82 mil cap next year = $12.3 mil AAV (nearly the same).

 

[Menzinger]

Eichel contract is an over payment by a team in a mess. Mathews will get more then 10M per but less then 11m per unless he wins a major trophy. He may not sign a contract until after the next season if his year this year is not a top 10 in scoring. If he waits then he is more likely to get more money.

Well he HAS won the Calder. I don’t think Matthews agent is going to care if the Leafs feels Eichel is overpaid or not.

Personally I suspect Matthews contract is going to be the easiest contract of the big three to negotiate. Hard to name a star player in recent years who had an overly long contract negotiation

 

[FreeBird]

Our GM is Lou...

Anyone thinking he will get McDavid money will be wrong. He will likely sign for 82 -85 million for 8 years.

Lou gave some ridiculous contracts in Jersey, and Jersey was one of the worst teams for years with terrible Cap Numbers, their on the way back with Shero at the helm.

 

[BayStreetBully]

Pretty cool interview of both Brian Matthews and Brian McDavid. The dads of Auston and Connor sound like pretty good friends off the ice.

McDavid and Matthews' dads share unique friendship

 

[diceman934]

Star players negotiate contracts based on "Cap Hit % of Cap Ceiling" ie C.H% ..

McDavid got C.H.%

: 16.67 of $76 mil = $12.5 AAV

The longer Matthews waits and the higher the Cap ceiling rises the larger his AAV and contract becomes.

If the Cap goes up to $82 mil this summer than even if Matthews accepts a say C.H. 15 % = $12.3 mil AAV, but if he waits to year 3 and Cap ceiling rises again to say $85 mil (+3 Mil) than .15% of that new ceiling = $12.75 mil AAV.

Potential differential by waiting to re-sign = +$450k per season.. The amount of less than < $500k per season might not make waiting worth while, risking injury or slump to lower his ask.

Pat Brisson (Auston's agent) based on this could simply negotiate a C.H 15.5% instead of 15% and get to $12.70 mil AAV next summer. (or split the difference somewhere in-between) to sign early.

Bottom line the rising salary cap ceiling will see Matthews get close to McDavid AAV even if he takes 15-15.5% C.H. instead of McDavids 16.67 C.H%.

His agent will try the percentage tactic and the Leafs will slot him in based on other players in the league. Also I believe that are going to give him the C and remind him that we need to resign the other top players as well.

Time will tell but I do not see him getting more then McDavid but it will be more than Eichel.

 

[saffronleaf]

Post-injury Matthews has been awful. When will he get back to being an elite player? Hopefully sometime this season.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

We'll need him back if Andersen stops carrying the team.
Have his advanced stats slumped @zeke ?

 

[hotpaws]

Wasn't easy to find a combination of wingers he couldn't produce with but luckily for us our triple gold coach figured it out .

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Wasn't easy to find a combination of wingers he couldn't produce with but luckily for us our triple gold coach figured it out .

or maybe Matthews isn't 100% ?

 

[hotpaws]

or maybe Matthews isn't 100% ?

Or maybe he needs better support from his wingers

Or maybe it's both

One things for sure , it's not gud pro Zach Hyman that's the issue on that line .