Awesome Auston Discussion thread

Discussion in 'Toronto Maple Leafs' started by Mess, Nov 25, 2017.

  1. BayStreetBully

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    His agent can ask for whatever he wants. It’s still the team that will be the ones handing out the cheques. I think you underestimate this is a two-sided negotiation, and the Leafs do have leverage. This isn’t a matter of Matthews’ agent saying “here, sign and gimme.”
     
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    Because Leafs should start negotiations at $9 million and settle for giving $10 million.

    I think the Leafs wanted to pay Marleau $6 million. Or at least, the team didn’t mind overpaying. It’s a short term contract that doesn’t hurt the cap, and gives Marleau a sense of authority over the youngsters that maybe he has less of if he is only making $4 million. And he is 38, so he is not a comparable for the green youngsters to ask for double Marleau’s pay. Lou would say “when you are 38, we’ll overpay for you too.”
     
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    Their isn't going to be an offer sheet on Matthews lol.

    If the Rangers wanted to play that game, we could pay it back with dividends by tossing a max offer sheet at any free agent they have coming up.

    Draisaitl went the entire summer without a contract and their were no offer sheets from other teams. GM's don't want to start playing that game.
     
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    and if Mathews holds firm on wanting say 12m over 8 your answer would be to let him sit until he signs for what you want to pay him ?
     
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    Abso-effin’-lutely.
     
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    and you'd be out of a job
     
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    Sure. Matthews should just go all in and ask for $16 million. What’s another $4 million. Leafs need to bend over backwards anyway or my job is toast.
     
  8. Gary Nylund

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    You said that we have leverage. OK, so you want to use that leverage and start playing hardball? If you start playing hardball then I think it's pretty naive to confidently proclaim that Matthews will not sign an offer sheet. Hardball is a nasty game with potentially serious consequences.
     
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    Matthews sticking to $12 million is not the Leafs playing hardball. That is Matthews playing hardball.

    Matthews isn’t Mario or Wayne, nor has he won us a couple of cups. When he is a two-time cup champion with us, yeah I’ll be more willing to bend over.

    I’m just about done here.
     
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    i said 12 not 16 and if he was holding out for almost 4m more than the highest paid player in the league then a GM would look reasonable by drawing the line , however AM wanting 12m while a steep price to play is reasonable

    if a GM wants to play hardball he does it with his lesser players and not with his 20 year old franchise player
     
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    I predict Matthews will come in at between 15 - 16% C.H. (Cap hit as percentage of the Cap ceiling).

    If the Cap Ceiling is ~$80 mil (when Auston signs) that means 15% = $12 mil AAV and 16% = 12.8 mil AAV.
     
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    I threw out the numbers 11 or 11.5 not 12 and I believe that is fair. You said you were willing to let him sit out until he signs for what you want him to sign for - that's hardball.

    Edit - I'm also not a fan of the cups argument. He's a player, not the GM.
     
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    Matthews is at elite level and probably the best 2 way forward in the league and can handle any competition without any doubt
     
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    They need to get super pluggers Hyman and brown off his line. At least one of them. Dump and chase grind the boards is not the way to maximize his talents
     
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    i am truly surprised Canadian Tire isn't making deals with him.
     
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    He needs the big checklist. He's got the Canadian Bank (Scotia probably wanted a big player in Canadian market after Subban got traded), now he needs a Rogers/Bell deal, and a Sport Check or Canadian tire one, Tims wouldn't hurt either. I think he's a bit hurt by being American, some of those companies love having a guy who they market due to international Canadian success.
     
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    Ouch, in that case Rangers could really screw us or themselves.
     
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    CT has dibs on Tavares.
     
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    Hey Matthews, we wouldn't mind a discount on your second contract. I wish he would take Eichel money at this point lol but he's most likely getting 12M.
     
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    I don't even know what to say when in the Matthews threads. I mean, what do you really say? Wow, Great player, Always a dominant force even when not scoring. He really isn't very interesting to talk about unless he scores an awesome goal or wins an award because there is no real debate. He is the Franchise player, best player on the team after Nazem Kadri ;)
     
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    Can Rogers/Bell legally give him a deal?

    That's cap circumvention I'd assume.
     
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    Just the beginning for Matthews and he and his people know it. Lots of scoffing by people at the notion of being the star Leaf would lead to huge endorsements, Matthews is going to hit a stratosphere never seen in Canada and only surpassed by a few worldwide.
    Florida tax rates and privacy are advantages this guy will make a fortune outside of his playing contract.
     
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    Sure they can. Bell owns both the Habs (18%) and the Leafs (37.5%) and the league doesn't care.

    I am sure the media wing of those companies operates independently of the owners (MLSE). McDavid has a contract with Rogers IIRC so Matthews can represent Bell with the Leafs being blue and white.
     

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