Confirmed with Link: Avs claim Patrik Nemeth, D from Dallas Stars

[Muffin]

Why did he have less than 10 minutes of ice-time against the Islanders, injury problems?

We played 7d that game. He was probably in the rotation.

 

[21]

He missed significant time due to injury in Dallas as well. Let's not act like he's suddenly injury-prone now that he's seeing playing time in Denver.

The worst injury was a freak injury though.

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

I don't think he was on the bench in the 3rd

 

[Bill Peckerskull]

We played 7d that game. He was probably in the rotation.

No, they were full 12 forwards, and just 6 D last night.

 

[21]

15/1 2018

GP G A TP +/-
Nemeth
28 3 8 11 13
3.035 blocked shots /game
0.39 points/game

TOI 18:41
6' 3", 215 lbs
Age 25


Kris Russell
46 3 13 16 -2
2,934 blocked shots/game
0.35 points/game

TOI 18:45
5' 10", 170 lbs
Age 30

Alec Martinez
40 4 8 12 2
2.9 blocked shots/game
0.3 points/game

TOI 23:52
6' 1", 210 lbs
Age 30

 

[Ivan13]

I really like the guy and what he brings to the team.

 

[ASmileyFace]

This was a waiver steal for sure. How could dallas afford to waive him again? Their defense could use a guy like him.

 

[21]

This was a waiver steal for sure. How could dallas afford to waive him again? Their defense could use a guy like him.

It's a total mystery but Nemeth was increadibly unlucky with injuries including a very serious freak injury (cut hand), you see the youtube video in this thread above vs Philadelphia Flyers. I don't think Nemeth would be in Colorado now if it wasn't for this specific freak injury, it took tons of momentum away from this young hockey talent.

Nemeth may have had some issues with Lindy Ruff too, not a personal level (I think) but hockey wise. Willie Desjardins (Texas Stars) for sure liked Nemeth, speaking highly of him several times. Not all coaches know how to deal with defensive d-men (or appreciate them). As a defensive minded d-man you are often put in a lot of difficult situations including PK and sometimes it may be difficult looking good. ;-)

He did win the Calder Championship together with Texas Stars, being a very important part of the team, everything wasn't bad in Texas for him.

Apart from winning the Calder Championship Nemeth was part of an amazing kids team together with Landeskog (Hammarby, boys born 92), Swedish junior champion for AIK and later junior world champion for Sweden (very important part of Sweden winning gold).

What I'm trying to say is that Nemeth is a guy used to winning and I love watching Nemeth in really important games, he is clutch (which he proved in both the finals during junior world championships and the Calder finals for Texas Stars).

 

[Cousin Eddie]

It's a total mystery but Nemeth was increadibly unlucky with injuries including a very serious freak injury (cut hand), you see the youtube video in this thread above vs Philadelphia Flyers. Nemeth may have had some issues with Lindy Ruff too, not a personal level (I think) but hockey wise. Willie Desjardins (Texas Stars) for sure liked Nemeth, speaking highly of him several times. Not all coaches know how to deal with defensive d-men (or appreciate them).

He did win the Calder Championship together with Texas Stars, being a very important part of the team, everything wasn't bad in Texas for him.

Apart from winning the Calder Championship Nemeth was part of an amazing team (Hammarby, boys born 92), Swedish junior champion for AIK and later junior world champion for Sweden (very important part of Sweden winning gold).

What I'm trying to say is that Nemeth is a guy used to winning.

I witnessed the GWG in OT live in person. It's the main reason I've always hated Nemeth lol.

 

[21]

First goal of his NHL career


Second


Third

 

[Pokecheque]

That Minnesota goal may be my most favorite Avs goal of all time, it may even top the Bourque Game Six point bomb. Everything--the behind-the-back feed from MacKinnon, the short windup, the perfectly placed shot, the celly (yes, after years of avoidance I'm using the word "celly" now, deal with it), and best of all, Dubnyk's Yosemite Sam tantrum afterwards, is pure perfection.

 

[21]

I find it fascinating with people actually believing they know more hockey than Bednar and Sakic, also I feel like they are closing their eyes from fact and stats, refusing to see how much the PK is improved since Nemeth joining the team? Refusing to see the fact that a defensive stay at home defenseman like Nemeth is getting tons of really difficult, dirty minutes facing the best offensive players out there, facing lots of last man standing type of situations.

Many times I find it a bit funny when experts in North America are downgrading and underestimating European players because they don't seem to understand and know their full capacity and talent (which we already have seen and witnessed in Europe), I have seen this many times and it will happen again.

Can't help to smile reading aticles like this one, I wonder if it's written by somebody from this forum. ;-) He is making a fool of himself and will most likely be eating crows. Complaining about a stay at home defenseman and pk specialist giving up more scoring chances than others, ok? Refusing to see the fact that no other player except EJ in the Avs have the same stay at home type of defensive mindset and difficult minutes as him? (EJ is obviously great defensively in all areas but it would be stupid comparing one of the better allround d-men in the world with Nemeth, not even I would do that).
Analyzing the defensive depth chart for the Colorado Avalanche

"Not Long for the Organization

As far as Patrik Nemeth goes, the coaching staff seems to like him, so there’s a chance the team re-signs him this summer - though they most definitely shouldn’t. Nemeth is the typical big, slow defenseman that old-school hockey people love, but that looks terrible when you analyze his play beyond the eye-test. No regular in the Avs lineup gives up more scoring chances against than Nemeth and each of his partners see a boost in their defensive metrics when they are separated from him.
Nemeth is a poor man's Duncan Siemens, and that’s a scary thought."

My own comment: Only a fool would let Nemeth go after this season (unless getting a very good return) and luckily the Avs management are on the right track again, I'm not concerned.

 

[21]

Highlights for Nemeth so far:

1. Being a very big part of the Avs improved PK, Colorado currently NHL nr 3 in PK stats.
2. NHL nr 4 in PK time/game average with 3:32 (hopefully I am correct on this one).
3. NHL top three in blocked shots/game in average (not blocking as much as he did first half of season).
4. NHL nr 6 in +- stats with +27.
5. 15 points so far is pretty good for a stay at home defensive type of defenseman and pk specialist, perhaps he could reach 20 for the season.
6. 19:44 TOI (average), fourth on the Avs (he will likely end up as nr three in TOI for the team).

Not to forget he is only 26 and will most likely improve his game, one area of improvement is his hockey IQ (which sometimes is driving us mad), hopefully this will come by the experience he is getting now.

 

[Pokecheque]

Actually, the consensus is that most NHL players are done developing around age 22-23. By the time they're 26 they're still in their prime years, but they're not developing anymore. There is the occasional late bloomer (see: Siemens, Klemm) but it doesn't happen often.

Really, whatever. It was a good pickup given what the Avs had in the stable at the time, and I'll take 3 Nemeths over ever having anything close to Frantzwah Booshyman ever again, I just don't think he's worth a long-term investment. But if they choose to keep him, whatever, I just hope it's as a third pairing guy at most (but even then I think they have better options).

 

[lonelybadger]

I still dislike Nemeth strongly and want him to be replaced. I feel he ices the puck way too much and is not good at moving the puck forward, but if the Avs can get the depth to play him 15 minutes a night while being on the PK1 I am fine with it. I just hate seeing him out there late in the game because of his tendancy to ice the puck.

 

[henchman21]

Nemeth was at his best when he was paired with Barrie. He needs that high end sort of puck mover on his right side to be the most effective. But Barrie plays too many minutes (especially with EJ out) for that to be a consistent pairing. Keeping Nemeth as a bottom pairing guy would be a good move IMO. He's good on the PK, and can handle minutes. As other RD move through the system he should be able to find a good partner to work with and help them break into the NHL. Don't pay him over 2m by any stretch... but a 1.5m per for 2 years would be worth it.

 

[21]

Actually, the consensus is that most NHL players are done developing around age 22-23. By the time they're 26 they're still in their prime years, but they're not developing anymore. There is the occasional late bloomer (see: Siemens, Klemm) but it doesn't happen often.

Really, whatever. It was a good pickup given what the Avs had in the stable at the time, and I'll take 3 Nemeths over ever having anything close to Frantzwah Booshyman ever again, I just don't think he's worth a long-term investment. But if they choose to keep him, whatever, I just hope it's as a third pairing guy at most (but even then I think they have better options).

He had some rough years in Texas even though he won one Calder Cup Trophy, he had several injuries including one very serious unlucky freak injury. He was on his way establishing himself at the time the freak injury occured, pretty sure Dallas Stars fans would be able to confirm this.

Two coaches in North America understanding what kind of player he is, using him the right way, Willie Desjardins and now Bednar.

 

[Tommy Shelby]

For all of his flaws, finding someone to eat so many PK minutes so effectively is going to be a struggle. It sure as hell won't come from anywhere in the system.

 

[21]

For all of his flaws, finding someone to eat so many PK minutes so effectively is going to be a struggle. It sure as hell won't come from anywhere in the system.

I noticed Siemens getting most PK time on entire team yesterday, 5:42 vs Nemeth's 5:02. (Nemeth did have TOI 23:18 vs 13:46 for Siemens though)

It will be very interesting following Siemens, first time I've seen Siemens getting most PK time on the team for the Avs, that's for sure. Perhaps Siemens is having potential becoming a stay at home type of d-man and elite pk specialist as well (way too early to say though).

 

[Iceberg]

I noticed Siemens getting most PK time on entire team yesterday, 5:42 vs Nemeth's 5:02. (Nemeth did have TOI 23:18 vs 13:46 for Siemens though)

It will be very interesting following Siemens, first time I've seen Siemens getting most PK time on the team for the Avs, that's for sure. Perhaps Siemens is having potential becoming a stay at home type of d-man and elite pk specialist as well (way too early to say though).

Nemeth took a minor penalty last night, that is why Siemens had more PK time than him.

 

[Freudian]

It does illustrate how Siemens has earned Bednars trust as well, but with EJ and Barb out there are lots of minutes that has to played on the PK.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Oh here we go. This should be quite the thread to follow over the next couple of days.


"North American experts"

 

[CoachBadkitten]

Having lived through the Zanon, Beauchemin, Guenin eras, I will happily live with a whipping boy like Nemeth. He’s got some strengths, is excellent at breaking up odd man rushes and seems to be well-liked in the room. I’m no Nemeth truthist but compared to what we’ve had.

 

[Byzantium]

 

[Bender]

I think Nemeth has had his ups and downs this year but most has been good for what he's been asked to do. I also don't believe he should be playing middle-pairing minutes but as Henchman said above, a 2 year deal at $1.5M provides depth at the position and I'd be fine with that.

I don't put too much stock in +/- but Nemeth is a team best +27 this season and the next closest Av is Landeskog at +12. Nemeth has been a good addition to this team.