Would you send them an extra asset for them to give it to us this year if it was something like 7 to 9? I don't think I would, but there is always a chance they turn things around enough in 2019 where it would be worth it.
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Would you send them an extra asset for them to give it to us this year if it was something like 7 to 9? I don't think I would, but there is always a chance they turn things around enough in 2019 where it would be worth it.
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Sakic won't offer extra assets and if Dorion gets to keep his 1st pick in 2018 there will be no way we'd be able to pry it away from him anyway.
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It is a weird situation for that team in general. You could argue all sorts of extremes for both sides. If this, if that I guess.
Watching this stuff post trade is like catching yourself watching a day time soap lol.
Agreed. The fact that it's only gotten even MORE dramatic since the trade just blows my mind.
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Man, the more I think about it the more I want Ottawa to finish bottom-10 this season and then outright tank next season. I'd much rather have, say, a top-3 pick in 2019 than I would a pick in the 11-20 range in 2018, even though I'm of the opinion that this team needs to start winning sooner than later.
The Sens don't have much cap space for next season and they have to re-sign Stone and Ceci. Couple that with the potential trade of Erik Karlsson, the declining play of Craig Anderson, and the soon-to-be tuning out of Guy Boucher and you've got a potentially messy situation.
Youngsters coming into the lineup may alleviate some of the pressure but I honestly think they're going to be bad next season. Very bad. And that is very good for us if the pick gets delayed.
The Sens don't have much cap space for next season and they have to re-sign Stone and Ceci. Couple that with the potential trade of Erik Karlsson, the declining play of Craig Anderson, and the soon-to-be tuning out of Guy Boucher and you've got a potentially messy situation.
Youngsters coming into the lineup may alleviate some of the pressure but I honestly think they're going to be bad next season. Very bad. And that is very good for us if the pick gets delayed.
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I can't see Ottawa tanking in 2019 no matter what. They might just naturally be a bad team, but they will go all-in to try to convince Karlsson that Ottawa is the place to stay long-term. As a franchise, they really can't afford to lose their franchise player, so they will take the whole risk on convincing him. They very well could make some really bad decisions in order to try to paint the best picture to Karlsson July 1, 2019.
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What if Karlsson lets it be known that he isn't signing for less than, say, 11M per season? I really don't think Melnyk is willing to pony up that kind of money for one player, even if it is Erik Karlsson. I could see them seeking out a trade this summer if they realize that he isn't going to be taking any sort of discount. Not saying it'd be smart, but when has Melnyk ever been smart?
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Ottawa has financial issues now... how bad would it be if they traded Karlsson? How bad would their attendance be? I don't think they can survive trading Karlsson.
Nalens Oga
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A 2019 top 3-5 pick can probably step in at the same time or sooner than a 2018 #11-15 draft pick. I wouldn't mind a draft pick this draft but he probably won't be on the roster for 2018-19 if he's outside the top 10 range.
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With no 1st pick in 2019 Sens will do everything they can to make the playoffs. We're not getting the 1st of a rebuilding team.
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Quebec city's last hope. Small market Canadian team moving to another small market Canadian team. Wouldn't hurt Bettman's feelings as much as moving Carolina, Phoenix or Florida.
Then later expand to a 2nd team in Toronto so Ontario can have 2 teams.
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Ottawa would rather screw themselves over for the next five years than give us a top 5 pick in 2019. I can see Dorion doing some very stupid things to make sure that pick is late even if it means the Sens will be bottom feeders for 2020. Not just for Karlsson, but just for the sake of not having to be the guy who traded a lottery pick+++ for two years of Duchene. It will be as much about pride as business.
The Sens are in a very bad spot here, but ultimately I think we get the 2018 pick because it will be 11-16 range. There's lots of hockey left to play and they will drag themselves out of this slump somehow. As flukey as their postseason run last year was they're not this bad.
So given the choice between a pick in an amazing draft and a similar pick in a lesser one next year, I would rather have the 2018 pick, because a 2019 lottery pick is just not happening.
The Sens are in a very bad spot here, but ultimately I think we get the 2018 pick because it will be 11-16 range. There's lots of hockey left to play and they will drag themselves out of this slump somehow. As flukey as their postseason run last year was they're not this bad.
So given the choice between a pick in an amazing draft and a similar pick in a lesser one next year, I would rather have the 2018 pick, because a 2019 lottery pick is just not happening.
I wouldn't rule out the possibility that Melnyk would strip the team bare and live off revenue sharing, except for the fact that he wants that downtown rink. Not sure how hard he's trying though.
I think Melnyk is Jeffrey Loria-level shifty. The sooner he's out of hockey the better it'll be for everyone.
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That's why they want that downtown arena. Having it 22 miles away in Kanata has been an ongoing issue.
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It definitely will survive without him. He's not Alfie, which also survived without.
When Melynk first took over the team. He was loved here in the city. I actually liked him too. Gave the team everything and was really part of the city.
Then got a divorce and made the sens pay for it.
That aint happening any time soon. I think.
To be fair, pre trade was like watching a day time soap as well, so this is just more of the same
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Alfie was at the very end of his career... Karlsson is only a step down from a generational player in the midst of his prime. I'm not saying they'd fold and move the next day... I'm saying attendance would plummet and might never recover. To the point where Melnyk moves the team.
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Disagree, this city is not a hockey town. People will come for the sake of coming. The attendance already isn't that great, probably will dip a bit after he's gone but nothing drastic.
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Oilers fan coming in peace. You guys made out like bandits in that deal. I'm very glad it's working out for you guys. Not very often do these type of deals pan out.
I honestly think Stastny will end up with the Blues or the Avs at a 4-5 year/5 mil contract (most likely Blues based off their center depth and playoff window). Dude has made 60 million so far, I don't see Stastny wanting to move to another new city to earn an extra few mil.
The Sens survived the whole Yashin ordeal, the Bill Muckalt Era, Alexandre Daigle, the departure of Zdeno Chara the subsequent collapse of Wade Redden, and the worst third jerseys of the modern era. They'll survive this.
It all depends I guess. He'd be the best free agent center available if Tavares re-signs. I don't think he passes up that chance. It could be substantially more than an extra few mil. I wouldn't rule out him staying, especially if he wants that Cup, but I wouldn't blame him if he hit the market either.
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Ottawa is a hockey town. The two major problems are that there are a lot of habs and leafs fans, and the arena is way too far (traffic takes me more than an hour to get home, without snow). Karlsson is also every fans favorite player, the fans won't accept a trade unless he wants out. Lots of rumors that Melnyk might be selling the team to the 2nd place bidder for the downtown development plan. Once that arena is downtown, sales wont be an issue.
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