ATD 2024 1st round: Winnipeg Falcons vs. Vagabonds de Montréal
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Head Coach Fred Shero
Captain: Bobby Clarke
Alternate Captains: Larry Robinson, Newsy Lalonde
Noble - Clarke - Bathgate
Kariya - Lalonde - Anderson
Propp - Carbonneau - Finnigan
Rusty Crawford - Hawerchuk - Bondra
Robinson - H.Stuart
Boon - S.Mantha
D.Wilson/McDonagh - Heller
Vezina
Barrasso
Bench
Hodge
Kovalev
PP1:
Clarke
Bathgate - Lalonde - Kariya
Robinson
PP2:
Anderson
H. Stuart - Hawerchuk - Bondra
Boon
PK1: McDonagh, Mantha, Carbo, Propp
PK2: Robinson, H. Stuart, Clarke, Finnigan
Captain: Bobby Clarke
Alternate Captains: Larry Robinson, Newsy Lalonde
Noble - Clarke - Bathgate
Kariya - Lalonde - Anderson
Propp - Carbonneau - Finnigan
Rusty Crawford - Hawerchuk - Bondra
Robinson - H.Stuart
Boon - S.Mantha
D.Wilson/McDonagh - Heller
Vezina
Barrasso
Bench
Hodge
Kovalev
PP1:
Clarke
Bathgate - Lalonde - Kariya
Robinson
PP2:
Anderson
H. Stuart - Hawerchuk - Bondra
Boon
PK1: McDonagh, Mantha, Carbo, Propp
PK2: Robinson, H. Stuart, Clarke, Finnigan
Winnipeg Falcons
Coach: Lester Patrick*
Sid Abel(A)¹‡-Peter Forsberg-Bill Cook(C)*†
Jiri Holik°ª-Peter Stastny°-Vladimir Martinec°
Baldy Northcott⁴-Neil Colville*‡-Jimmy Ward⁴
Matthew Tkachuk⁵-Dan Bain²-Phil Watson*
Brady Tkachuk⁵-Bobby Holikª
_____________________________
Derian Hatcher(A)³-Eddie Shore
Bill Quackenbush¹-Bullet Joe Simpson²†
Leo Reise Jr¹‡-Kevin Hatcher³
Andrei Markov
__________________
Charlie Gardiner
Connor Hellebuyck²
Legend:
*=Lester Patrick & players he's coached to Stanley Cups [Patrick, Cook, Colville, Watson]
°=Czechoslovak National Team Teammates, 1975-79, 2x IIHF Gold Medalists & Canada Cup Finalists [J. Holik, Stastny, Martinec- 1st & 3rd entries italicized because linemates]
¹=Detroit Red Wings Teammates, 1946-47 to 1948-49 (2x Stanley Cup Finals & 1 Wales Trophy)-
[Abel, Quackenbush, Reise Jr]
²=Native to and/or flourished in Manitoba [Bain (career w/Victorias), Simpson (born Manitoba, played 3 years in MB for Victorias & Selkirk), Hellebuyck (currently starring for Jets)]
³=Brothers & teammates, Gold Medal Winning 1996 World Cup of Hockey Team USA squad [D. Hatcher, K. Hatcher]
⁴=Linemates, 1929-30 to 1937-38 Montreal Maroons, 2x 1st Pl Canadian Division, 1934-35 Stanley Cup Champions [Northcott, Ward]
⁵=Brothers II, [M. Tkachuk, B. Tkachuk]
ª=avuncular relationship (uncle/nephew) [J. Holik, B. Holik]
‡=WWII Veterans [Abel, Colville, Reise Jr]
†=WWI Veterans [Cook, Simpson]
PP1:
Bill Cook
Sid Abel-Eddie Shore-Peter Forsberg
Joe Simpson
PP2:
Bain
Colville-Stastny-Martinec
K. Hatcher
extra PPers - M. Tkachuk, Quackenbush
PK1:
Northcott-P. Watson
D, Hatcher-Colville
PK2:
J. Holik-Martinec
Quackenbush-K. Hatcher
extra PKers - Shore, Reise Jr.
Coach: Lester Patrick*
Sid Abel(A)¹‡-Peter Forsberg-Bill Cook(C)*†
Jiri Holik°ª-Peter Stastny°-Vladimir Martinec°
Baldy Northcott⁴-Neil Colville*‡-Jimmy Ward⁴
Matthew Tkachuk⁵-Dan Bain²-Phil Watson*
Brady Tkachuk⁵-Bobby Holikª
_____________________________
Derian Hatcher(A)³-Eddie Shore
Bill Quackenbush¹-Bullet Joe Simpson²†
Leo Reise Jr¹‡-Kevin Hatcher³
Andrei Markov
__________________
Charlie Gardiner
Connor Hellebuyck²
Legend:
*=Lester Patrick & players he's coached to Stanley Cups [Patrick, Cook, Colville, Watson]
°=Czechoslovak National Team Teammates, 1975-79, 2x IIHF Gold Medalists & Canada Cup Finalists [J. Holik, Stastny, Martinec- 1st & 3rd entries italicized because linemates]
¹=Detroit Red Wings Teammates, 1946-47 to 1948-49 (2x Stanley Cup Finals & 1 Wales Trophy)-
[Abel, Quackenbush, Reise Jr]
²=Native to and/or flourished in Manitoba [Bain (career w/Victorias), Simpson (born Manitoba, played 3 years in MB for Victorias & Selkirk), Hellebuyck (currently starring for Jets)]
³=Brothers & teammates, Gold Medal Winning 1996 World Cup of Hockey Team USA squad [D. Hatcher, K. Hatcher]
⁴=Linemates, 1929-30 to 1937-38 Montreal Maroons, 2x 1st Pl Canadian Division, 1934-35 Stanley Cup Champions [Northcott, Ward]
⁵=Brothers II, [M. Tkachuk, B. Tkachuk]
ª=avuncular relationship (uncle/nephew) [J. Holik, B. Holik]
‡=WWII Veterans [Abel, Colville, Reise Jr]
†=WWI Veterans [Cook, Simpson]
PP1:
Bill Cook
Sid Abel-Eddie Shore-Peter Forsberg
Joe Simpson
PP2:
Bain
Colville-Stastny-Martinec
K. Hatcher
extra PPers - M. Tkachuk, Quackenbush
PK1:
Northcott-P. Watson
D, Hatcher-Colville
PK2:
J. Holik-Martinec
Quackenbush-K. Hatcher
extra PKers - Shore, Reise Jr.
Here's the breakdown of this series:
1st Line- Superstar Captain Clarke v Superstar Captain Cook- close
Next best Forward- Forsberg v Bathgate- advantage Forsberg (with additional playoff edge)
LWs S. Abel v Noble- advantage Abel, not close.
First line advantage, Winnipeg
2nd line- LW Kariya v Jiri Holik- advantage Kariya, not close
C Lalonde v Stastny- advantage Lalonde- but closer than one might think (both players made NHL Centenary top-100)
RW Martinec v G. Anderson- moderate advantage Martinec
Second Line moderate advantage- Montreal. Montreal has talent edge, but chemistry narrows the gap somewhat.
3rd line- LW Northcott v Propp- advantage Northcott, not close
C Colville v Carbonneau- advantage Colville. Two Hall of Famers, Carbonneau has elite defense but won't pitch in much offensively. Colville has very good defense and WILL pitch in offensively
Ward v Finnigan- close
Third Line advantage, Winnipeg. Talent is superior, and chemistry widens the gap even more. This is the biggest edge possessed by either team this series.
4th line- I'm calling this close. Montreal might have a talent edge... but their line doesn't look too effective in the defensive zone. To use them effectively, Montreal would have to give their no. 1 line additional D-zone starts, muting their 1st line offense even more.
1st D pairing- close. Shore's better than Robinson, Stuart's more better than D. Hatcher... but it's the top-billing partner that matters more.
2nd D pairing- Quackenbush>Mantha, Simpson>Boon
Second pairing advantage, Winnipeg. This is the 2nd biggest edge possessed by either team.
3rd D pairing- close. Both pairings have Special Teams parts that help.
Goaltending- close. Vezina has a longer resume, Gardiner has the playoff cred. I don't see this as difference-making, either way.
Coaching- Shero is good. Lester Patrick is better. Edge goes to Winnipeg here.
1st Line- Superstar Captain Clarke v Superstar Captain Cook- close
Next best Forward- Forsberg v Bathgate- advantage Forsberg (with additional playoff edge)
LWs S. Abel v Noble- advantage Abel, not close.
First line advantage, Winnipeg
2nd line- LW Kariya v Jiri Holik- advantage Kariya, not close
C Lalonde v Stastny- advantage Lalonde- but closer than one might think (both players made NHL Centenary top-100)
RW Martinec v G. Anderson- moderate advantage Martinec
Second Line moderate advantage- Montreal. Montreal has talent edge, but chemistry narrows the gap somewhat.
3rd line- LW Northcott v Propp- advantage Northcott, not close
C Colville v Carbonneau- advantage Colville. Two Hall of Famers, Carbonneau has elite defense but won't pitch in much offensively. Colville has very good defense and WILL pitch in offensively
Ward v Finnigan- close
Third Line advantage, Winnipeg. Talent is superior, and chemistry widens the gap even more. This is the biggest edge possessed by either team this series.
4th line- I'm calling this close. Montreal might have a talent edge... but their line doesn't look too effective in the defensive zone. To use them effectively, Montreal would have to give their no. 1 line additional D-zone starts, muting their 1st line offense even more.
1st D pairing- close. Shore's better than Robinson, Stuart's more better than D. Hatcher... but it's the top-billing partner that matters more.
2nd D pairing- Quackenbush>Mantha, Simpson>Boon
Second pairing advantage, Winnipeg. This is the 2nd biggest edge possessed by either team.
3rd D pairing- close. Both pairings have Special Teams parts that help.
Goaltending- close. Vezina has a longer resume, Gardiner has the playoff cred. I don't see this as difference-making, either way.
Coaching- Shero is good. Lester Patrick is better. Edge goes to Winnipeg here.
