ATD 2022 Rules Poll Number 5: Randomness

[rmartin65]

Please choose the option you prefer.

1) Yes

2) No

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[Dreakmur]

TDMM’s idea from last year was pretty decent, so we might be able to build on it.

In the regular season, voters don’t vote on every division. Let’s say they vote on other divisions, but not their own.

In the playoffs, voters can vote on every series.

That change in the voting pool could be enough to make it less predictable without introducing the element of randomness.

 

[ImporterExporter]

This feels concluded, though @Dreakmur did bring up a good point about regular season voting differing from playoffs.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

TDMM’s idea from last year was pretty decent, so we might be able to build on it.

In the regular season, voters don’t vote on every division. Let’s say they vote on other divisions, but not their own.

In the playoffs, voters can vote on every series.

That change in the voting pool could be enough to make it less predictable without introducing the element of randomness.

I would be happy with doing it this way, or leaving it the way it is.

 

[VanIslander]

The only randomness that appeals:

Don't release the regular season division rankings until after the playoffs and randomize the matchups (including the bye if there's one).

Arguably, the best playoff team should win anyways, eh?

No one would be discouraged from participating in the playoffs.

 

[ResilientBeast]

Don't release the regular season division rankings until after the playoffs and randomize the matchups (including the bye if there's one).

Pretty sure we've tried this and it didn't really make that much of a difference

 

[rmartin65]

Pretty sure we've tried this and it didn't really make that much of a difference

I think we did hidden seedings, but the matchups were not random. I had the same initial reaction, though.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

One year we did cross-divisional playoffs.

Seed 1 from one division played seed 4 from the other division in their conference, etc

 

[BenchBrawl]

Do we need divisions at all? Two conferences and the usual bracket will flow. If 14 teams, 1st place of each gets a by.

It's only 7 teams per conference, not that hard to rank.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

Do we need divisions at all? Two conferences and the usual bracket will flow. If 14 teams, 1st place of each gets a by.

Cross conference playoffs? Would have different voting than the regular season, though it gets a little complicated in round 2

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

Do we need divisions at all? Two conferences and the usual bracket will flow. If 14 teams, 1st place of each gets a by.

It's only 7 teams per conference, not that hard to rank.

I would say do divisions if we make it to 16 teams, but if we don't it doesn't make sense, as you'd have 1-2 divisions with only 3 teams.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Cross conference playoffs? Would have different voting than the regular season, though it gets a little complicated in round 2

What do you mean by cross conference?

To be clear, what I meant was like a Tennis bracket. If we aren't in the same conference, then we can't meet until the ATD Finals.

 

[BenchBrawl]

14 teams

Conference A
1
2
3
4
5
6
7

1st round

1 gets by
2 vs. 7
3 vs. 6
4 vs. 5

2nd round

1 vs. 4
2 vs. 3

3rd round

1 vs. 2

ATD Finals

1 vs. 1 (of Conference B who followed the same structure)

 

[BenchBrawl]

I would say do divisions if we make it to 16 teams, but if we don't it doesn't make sense, as you'd have 1-2 divisions with only 3 teams.

Even at 16, I see no point in divisions. It's the perfect number for a clean conference bracket.

Beyond 16, then OK.

 

[BenchBrawl]

And if people insist on hiding the seeds, then 1st can't get the by, else it would reveal his standing. In that case, just do a lottery pre-playoffs such that one random team gets a by in the 1st round. Then in the 2nd round, replace him to his appropriate seed.

 

[TheDevilMadeMe]

What do you mean by cross conference?

To be clear, what I meant was like a Tennis bracket. If we aren't in the same conference, then we can't meet until the ATD Finals.

1st seed from conference A would play 8th seed from conference B in the first round, etc.

I don't remember what happens in round 2...

We did this with divisions once; I don't think it was when I was admining things.

It's not worth delving into details if nobody thinks this would be an improvement.

 

[BenchBrawl]

1st seed from conference A would play 8th seed from conference B in the first round, etc.

I don't remember what happens in round 2...

We did this with divisions once; I don't think it was when I was admining things.

It's not worth delving into details if nobody thinks this would be an improvement.

Yeah, I have no problem with this, but I see no immediate upside over the normal bracket. Maybe there are some, haven't thought about it.

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

Yeah, I have no problem with this, but I see no immediate upside over the normal bracket. Maybe there are some, haven't thought about it.

The upside is the playoffs give different matchups than you voted on in the regular season. Different comparisons to make, and less likely for "chalk" results.

 

[BenchBrawl]

The upside is the playoffs give different matchups than you voted on in the regular season. Different comparisons to make, and less likely for "chalk" results.

OK

I still hate it aesthetically but it's completely irrational and I have no counterargument

 

[Hawkey Town 18]

OK

I still hate it aesthetically but it's completely irrational and I have no counterargument

I don’t mind either setup