Discussion in 'Detroit Red Wings' started by SoupNazi, Jun 22, 2017.
More dominant than Justin Abdelkader.
You really can't say that though. At the NHL level he hasn't even proven what Cory Emmerton has proven.
So has every prospect.
I don't think he's going to be a 40-50 point winger.
More spazzing out.
I'm not the guy who compared Abby to Rasmussen.
Why don't you go find that post and spaz out on him.
I responded to the guy who said, Abby scored 40-50 so Rasmussen should do.
And the only reason Abby was ever a 40-50 point guy is because he played with pavel and Z.
Hard to compare. Different leagues.
But whatever, they're not the same kinds of players. Abby is big, but he's not mammoth.
Here are the 6'6 forwards in the NHL.
Only 3 of those guys have an NHL track record.
If you go to 6'5, there are 19 guys,
Wheeler. Laine. Bjugstad. Mantha, Hayes. Lowry, Hayes and Hanzal are the only ones with a real track record.
Of those guys, Wheeler, Bjugstad, Boyle and the Hayes brothers came up through college.
Hanzal came up through Czech.
Laine and Mantha are scoring wingers.
The only center who came up through junior is Lowry, and he was a 3rd round pick, not a top 10 pick,.
It's hard to find a comparable for Rasmussen.
But the one thing I see is that, until these playoffs, he really didn't do much to improve on his draft year.
Anyway, I thought he looked pretty good in the pre-season last year. I continue to be unimpressed by the things I'm seeing in the junior hockey video, though.
Funny, the point of a centerman is to feed his wingers.
He had about a ~40 point pace this year without either. But it doesn’t really matter; if Ras doesn’t have good players to play with his upside is meaningless. I just don’t like putting a low ceiling on a guy this early in his career. I highly doubt anyone predicted Larkin would get close to 50 assists in a season. An ability to adapt and change playstyle to suit situation is what often dictates successs in the NHL and we don’t yet know if Ras can do it.
It’s why so many guys can tear up juniors only to bust. No ability to adapt once their fancy moves no longer work on NHL D, they’re forced to actually play defense, they’re pushed around by stronger players, they’re only average in speed instead of the fastest etc. etc.
Adapt and overcome. It’s why I don’t go ga-ga over prospects that make a living off fancy dangles in juniors. I know 99% of them will be forced to change their game in pros. The 1% is Datsyuk/Kane/Gaudreau/McDavid..
Why are you talking about Jiri Hudler in Rasmussen thread?
That's just BS.
Look at the top 25 scorers in the NHL. McDavid, Giroux, Kucherov, Hall, Barzal, Gaudreau, Panarin, Kuznetsov, Pastrnak, Barkov.
All are great puckhandlers. Don't tell me it's not effective just because we don't have any prospects like that. There are more guys in the top 25 scoring with "fancy moves" than without. I think you would like those types of guys just fine if it is what was currently in our system.
This is a great point though, and I agree with this very much.
It seems like Pavels Dog is conflating Tomas Jurco with all skilled prospects who aren't necessarily "heavy".
Ah the Jurco effect, a few isolated clips and a montage of him in the street/basement and people lost their ****... until they realized that he didn't have the skill to translate that. It's not the same as McDavid or Matthews or Datsyuk making goalies and defenders look foolish at every level they played at.
a few problems here:
1) The discourse going on here basically assumes Ras isn't a competent puckhandler which is untrue.
2) If all it took was fancy puck handling Robbie Schremp would be in the NHL. The list of these types is a lot longer than just schremp
3) There is more than one way to skin a cat: You list off a bunch of danglers as if they are the only top players in the league. Benn, Staal, Wheeler, Kopitar, Marchand etc. have all had fantastic carriers without having the specific playstyle of a Gaudreau
What sort of puck handler is he? Not trying to be an ass and not necessarily only asking you, Sirloin; I have just seen very little of him in game situations - essentially my viewing was limited to last pre-season. So many people have opinions on what his game is now and what his game will be in the NHL, so I'd really love to know more about the way he plays other than his talent as a net-front guy. Anyone who gets to watch him on a more regular basis would be great to hear from, I'd love to hear more about his game other than what is generally talked about here. Would also love to know how much his injuries affected him and impacted his numbers this season - I'm assuming he's fully recovered now, yes?
From watching him the three things I was able to say with any degree of certainty were:
- He plays at the top of the crease very well, great at tipping pucks.
- He skates quite well for a big man
- He is very good at shielding the puck and keeping it away from defenders in the offensive zone; only Z seemed better at it during the games I saw.
Don't see anyone saying he isn't "competent". The point is whether it is a "plus" skill or not.
Extreme example, not even going to go into why this is wrong. But terrible skater and terrible work ethic, for starters. Obviously players with any skill set can fail, I never stated otherwise.
Definitely. ButI said more often than not. Did not say it was everyone. I see less of the type of guys you are listing than the type of guys I I listed among the top scorers. And even bigger guys like Kopitar and Malkin also have the "fancy moves".
*I will point out I didn't even mention Rasmussen's name in my post. I was honestly just talking more about a general concept.
Just time to stop this nonsense. Is it too demanding for all Rasmussen-haters in here, to think a little bit outside the box of that one-dimensional thinking, that center in NHL has to creative and a playmaker? There are another ways to build effective lines in hockey. Screener center and offensive and creative wingers.
Giroux - Couturier - Voracek
Panarin - Anisimov - Kane
Those are great lines, and they separate from this normal standard to give some more dynamic looks for the team. Another lines could be build differently. Nothing prevents that.
That's what Rasmussen career path with Wings will be. As a big center, he could carry some lower-drafted midget wingers, which midget centers couldn't carry. Rasmussen would have been most idealistic center-type for Nyquist and Tatar ever had, but I think both are gone far before until he will enter on his prime. But those type of players will fit with him.
He will probably complement players we draft in the future very well, I don't disagree with that at all. At some point we are going to need those Giroux/Kane/Panarin types though, and right now we just don't really have anything like that.
All I was doing was pointing that out. People need to chill out in this thread a little bit.
I would agree posters need to ease up a bit on Ras.
He either becomes a top two centre or the pick deserved to be chastised.
Wait and see
Yeah, because every center in the NHL is a set up man.
Jurco didn't skate well enough.
If Jurco could skate, he'd have been real good.
I still think he's got the ability to be a productive top 9 forward in the NHL. But his window to prove it is closing.
If Ras puts up 9 points tonight he'll be at 4 ppg for the WHL playoffs.
So everyone should just relax.
Yep, and the ones that arent set up men suck. Auston Matthews and his career high 29 assists, probably wouldnt even make the red wings, doesnt set up his wingers enough
Brad Marchand does not fit the description of a "Brad Marchand type player"
Anders Lee does not fit the description of a "Anders Lee type player"
yet everyone is obsessed with player comparables.
Is he good at helping his team put the puck in the net and stopping the other team from putting the puck in his net?
To be fair I wonder how many first line centres this year and each of the last twenty years consistently put up more goals than assists?
My guess is that you will see Mathews' numbers change in the coming years
Goals are way harder to come by so I doubt there has been many at all. That doesnt mean hes less effective because he doesnt set his wingers up is my point, scoring goals is the hardest thing to do in the NHL. I know Franzen did it quite a bit in Detroit.
Theres more than one way to skin a cat is my point. Making BS arguments to say that a centres job is to set up his wingers is stupid, so is saying that 3 or 4 skills are the most important in the league. The most important thing to make a player effective in the NHL is to make sure more goals end up in the other teams net compared to how many end up in yours. Theres plenty of ways to make that happen though
3 of the top 20 scoring centers put up more goals than assists.
6 in the top 50 scoring centers
1 in the top 50 was even
43 in the top 50 had more assists than goals