Prospect Info: At 24th Overall the Jets Select Kristian Vesalainen

[10Ducky10]

Vaseline won't be traded....he doesn't cost enough yet.
MP and Myers will go first.

 

[DaJackal]

Despite his impressive FEL season he doesn't seem to be making waves in the NA (compared to f.ex. Tolvanen), so I don't think his value is that high yet. Trading him doesn't make sense.

Also, there is no way to know how steep the performance drop of Little and Wheeler will be (and when it comes). 2 years ago Jussi Jokinen was a solid 60-point top six forward; now he is fighting for his job in the NHL.

 

[Halberdier]

Impressive season and very good first rounds on Liiga playoffs. Probably without him Kärpät never went to finals. Against Tappara he couldn't do too much but that was maybe expected. He played well, but obviously he is not Laine (not that anyone thought so).

 

[ps241]

The only way I see a kid like K-Ves traded is for his defensive equivalent so think a kid like Girard last season. Even then I doubt it happens. He appears to be very talented and is the key is he cost controlled (ELC.). That is going to become a very real need for Winnipeg as soon as next season but for sure by 2019-20.

Never say never but the price would be steep for a cost controlled A level prospect.

 

[csk]

Vaseline won't be traded....he doesn't cost enough yet.
MP and Myers will go first.

Trading MP's sweetheart contract would be a mistake

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

The only way I see a kid like K-Ves traded is for his defensive equivalent so think a kid like Girard last season. Even then I doubt it happens. He appears to be very talented and is the key is he cost controlled (ELC.). That is going to become a very real need for Winnipeg as soon as next season but for sure by 2019-20.

Never say never but the price would be steep for a cost controlled A level prospect.

Was just coming here to say this.

Good young players on ELC's are going to be huge for this franchise going forward. We're going to be battling with the cap for a long time coming, guys who can produce on an ELC provide major value.

 

[Mara]

Despite his impressive FEL season he doesn't seem to be making waves in the NA.

Probably because it was not impressive enough to be considered NHL ready. Had a good start at the playoffs but pretty much disappeared from the picture in the finals. Not strong enough to influence the flow of the game by himself. A promising player but still a lot of work to do.

 

[Whileee]

Trading MP's sweetheart contract would be a mistake

I think that if the Jets win another round with Roslovic / Copp in for Perreault, then trading Perreault makes the most sense. They need to fill their bottom 2 lines with talented players on their ELCs, or cheap 2nd contracts. They just won't be able to afford keeping all three of Little, Wheeler and Perreault after they re-sign Laine, Connor, Morrissey, Trouba, Hellebuyck, Lowry, etc. If trading Perreault lets you keep Wheeler, then I think you have to do that. If trading Myers allows you to keep Trouba, you do that too.

 

[csk]

I think that if the Jets win another round with Roslovic / Copp in for Perreault, then trading Perreault makes the most sense. They need to fill their bottom 2 lines with talented players on their ELCs, or cheap 2nd contracts. They just won't be able to afford keeping all three of Little, Wheeler and Perreault after they re-sign Laine, Connor, Morrissey, Trouba, Hellebuyck, Lowry, etc. If trading Perreault lets you keep Wheeler, then I think you have to do that. If trading Myers allows you to keep Trouba, you do that too.

I am opposed to making decisions using such small sample sizes

 

[ffh]

I think that if the Jets win another round with Roslovic / Copp in for Perreault, then trading Perreault makes the most sense. They need to fill their bottom 2 lines with talented players on their ELCs, or cheap 2nd contracts. They just won't be able to afford keeping all three of Little, Wheeler and Perreault after they re-sign Laine, Connor, Morrissey, Trouba, Hellebuyck, Lowry, etc. If trading Perreault lets you keep Wheeler, then I think you have to do that. If trading Myers allows you to keep Trouba, you do that too.

they're re-signing trouba. I must have missed overhardt say him and chevy were close.

 

[Flair Hay]

I am opposed to making decisions using such small sample sizes

At some point you can't pay everyone.

 

[Pongs21]

Tbh I hope we trade him... Don’t get me wrong he looks real talented but he isn’t gonna see the light of day on this team(he’s projected to be a LW’er and Connor/Ehlers are locks for the Top 6 there, even if you boost him over to RW Wheeler/Laine are there(dear god I hope this doesn’t happen but maybe Wheeler retires soon and even than Roslovic is probably higher in the lineup be our future Top 6 RW). If he was to crack the Top 6 it would take atleast 4 years and there’s a huge unlikely chance of that.

This kid is a bonafied Top 10 Prospect League wide and it sucks I’m saying this about such a talented kid but the value we can get out of trading him is likely much higher than if we keep him and turn him into a Armia 2.0 when he can be a Connor/Ehlers level player. Best case scenario would be someone on the Left Wing moving to 2C(meaning him, Ehlers or Connor, which is extremely unlikely).

Who and or what are we trading him for? Maybe trade him after his ELC is up and we can't afford him, but selling him for some magic beans and hoping those turn into just as good of prospect as he is is ridiculous. Or was this just some precursor to your horrible trade proposal for Doughty?

 

[Adam da bomb]

I am opposed to making decisions using such small sample sizes

Then judge it by how Perrault couldn't score for the last 3rd of the season and the sample size becomes much larger.

 

[scarbrow21]

Trading MP's sweetheart contract would be a mistake

Mason, Myers, Kulikov, Perrault, and to a lesser extent Little will all need to be considered to move for CAP reasons. Wheeler and Buff should also be considered based on value of the CAP space and the return they'd be able to fetch but it's all kind of predicated on what happens with Trouba and his desire to stay or go.

 

[csk]

Then judge it by how Perrault couldn't score for the last 3rd of the season and the sample size becomes much larger.

Try again

 

[StatisticsAddict99]

Who and or what are we trading him for? Maybe trade him after his ELC is up and we can't afford him, but selling him for some magic beans and hoping those turn into just as good of prospect as he is is ridiculous. Or was this just some precursor to your horrible trade proposal for Doughty?

It has nothing to do with any proposed trade(I was just trying to see the value between Doughty and Trouba), I’m simply stating what I believe. I don’t think the best thing for us is to keep Vesalainen and I don’t think it’s the best for him either(having a potentially Elite Winger likely not crack the Top 6 within his first 5 season)...

 

[Adam da bomb]

It has nothing to do with any proposed trade(I was just trying to see the value between Doughty and Trouba), I’m simply stating what I believe. I don’t think the best thing for us is to keep Vesalainen and I don’t think it’s the best for him either(having a potentially Elite Winger likely not crack the Top 6 within his first 5 season)...

It sucks for him but unless we are offered a great deal for him I don't see how it hurts the team even if he is wasted. How does that make the Jets a weaker team? Yes trading him for a centre prospect or a great d prospect makes the team stronger but if it's not on the table it's not on the table.

 

[StatisticsAddict99]

It sucks for him but unless we are offered a great deal for him I don't see how it hurts the team even if he is wasted. How does that make the Jets a weaker team? Yes trading him for a centre prospect or a great d prospect makes the team stronger but if it's not on the table it's not on the table.

Like I said it doesn’t hurt us but his talent as a prospect could be moved for a necessary position and find a more effective player for this team.

 

[Oilpeg]

It has nothing to do with any proposed trade(I was just trying to see the value between Doughty and Trouba), I’m simply stating what I believe. I don’t think the best thing for us is to keep Vesalainen and I don’t think it’s the best for him either(having a potentially Elite Winger likely not crack the Top 6 within his first 5 season)...

Who cares if he's not in the top 6? Wouldn't that just mean our top 9 is really good? or top 12? I don't think you move a player, especially a young player who hasn't even begun his North American career yet, because he might not be in the top six. You need players pushing the other players for jobs.

 

[Pongs21]

It has nothing to do with any proposed trade(I was just trying to see the value between Doughty and Trouba), I’m simply stating what I believe. I don’t think the best thing for us is to keep Vesalainen and I don’t think it’s the best for him either(having a potentially Elite Winger likely not crack the Top 6 within his first 5 season)...

That's you just assuming he wont. Not saying he will, but he could very well play himself into the top 6. A lot can happen in 5 years. The Jets will do what's best for them, not Vesalainen.

 

[kittiecarlyle]

I think that if the Jets win another round with Roslovic / Copp in for Perreault, then trading Perreault makes the most sense. They need to fill their bottom 2 lines with talented players on their ELCs, or cheap 2nd contracts. They just won't be able to afford keeping all three of Little, Wheeler and Perreault after they re-sign Laine, Connor, Morrissey, Trouba, Hellebuyck, Lowry, etc. If trading Perreault lets you keep Wheeler, then I think you have to do that. If trading Myers allows you to keep Trouba, you do that too.

Agreed, you do what is best for your team. Balance the short and longer term aspects.

What moves ( and the subsequent moves they allow ) make you better overall?

Jets have options, they are not locked in or pre determined to follow some script.

 

[DaJackal]

That's you just assuming he wont. Not saying he will, but he could very well play himself into the top 6. A lot can happen in 5 years. The Jets will do what's best for them, not Vesalainen.

Yes, he could. Especially at times. Every player goes through some slumps and then you must have options to shake things up a bit. It's hard to juggle the top lines if your bottom six is full of grinders with stone hands.

Added to that, Vesalainen is not a sniper like Tolvanen (who at this point gets absolutely wasted unless he is in a top six role or at least 3rd line + heavy PP time). Ves can contribute in the bottom six and I think in time he will be able to be drive his own line. It's likely at least 3-4 years away, but I think he has the size, skill and smarts for it.

 

[jetsfaneh]

Amen. No way you move a guy because your top six looks to be solidified for the time being. You need three scoring lines these days. And injuries are guaranteed. And Ves will be nice and cheap during our cup window years. Suggesting trading this guy is no bueno. He probably ends up being a better scorer than most of our bottom six players we currently have.

 

[EpicGingy]

It has nothing to do with any proposed trade(I was just trying to see the value between Doughty and Trouba), I’m simply stating what I believe. I don’t think the best thing for us is to keep Vesalainen and I don’t think it’s the best for him either(having a potentially Elite Winger likely not crack the Top 6 within his first 5 season)...

I think you're really underestimating how much the makeup of a team can change in 5 years.

 

[surixon]

That would be a very hasty move in my opinion. He is big, has a great shot and is a pretty darn good skater for his size. He seems a bit similar to a young Wheeler after all. Those kind of players aren’t really that easy to find, so I think it would be still better to give him some real chances in the lineup and see how well he will do in the next two or three years. There will be anyway for sure some injuries for even some of the top players, so he would get these chances probably quite naturally. And how can you say at this moment that he couldn’t become even a better player than Connor, Roslo or Ehlers? They all are very good, but they lack the size and strength and the NHL hockey is still a game for big boys, even how much more skating has been emphasized during the few last years.

I don’t for sure claim that Vesalainen will become better than all of them, but I can still see a chance for even that happening. And of course Roslo might even still become a center, which could make it easier for Vesalainen to fit in. As I don’t see it impossible for him or some other wingers playing their off wing.

I just don’t really see the point in trading him at least soon. If he would be traded, maybe it could happen in three years. But right now it could be a very hasty move that the Jets could very much regret in the future.

Ehlers can play RW as well and Wheeler is getting up there in age. We could be running this as a top 6 in 3 seasons:

Connor - Scheifele - Laine

Vesalainen - Roslovic - Ehlers

There are plenty of options.