Rumor: Arthur Staple: Isles Remain Front-Runner for Tavares | Other teams still in mix

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  1. CodeE

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    Sigh. No.

    When a legitimate insider says something like "Toronto has made calls on Tanev and willing to trade their 1st" (just made that up), that's real news. You're reporting fact, there is definite interest and discussions going on. If it's proven to be false, your reputation suffers.

    When another insider says something like "it's rumored Toronto is looking for RHD ahead of next season. I have to wonder if they don't kick tires on Tanev", that's "fake news". You're reporting speculation, I heard, it's rumored, it's long been believed. If it's proven to be false, oh well I guess I heard wrong.

    It has nothing to do with if Toronto is mentioned or not, just the language differences between a factual report and one that's qualified with "it's long been believed".
     
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    Maybe it's possible he still has some connections from the Islanders?

    There is another reporter from The Athletic named Jonas Siegel who use to work at TSN Radio 1050 in Toronto as a Maple Leafs reporter. Are we not supposed to believe him anytime he posts information regarding the Leafs?
     
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    I don't believe that it has to be a Bob McKenzie reporting it for a writer to find some info out about a situation. Sure they are connected better then most but it's absolutely possible to get a scoop. Even Eklund has beat the top insiders to the punch before using the Carter/Richards situation as an example when they were traded from Philly. Eklund was first for God's sake. Lol
     
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    Wasn't Toronto one of 4 teams Stamkos agreed to meet with outside of the Lightning organization? How is it unreasonable for people talking about the possibility of a player signing, when their team is one of the 4 that were met with?
    And on your second point, its already very split between people who want him vs those who want to use the money on defense instead.
     
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  5. PWJunior

    PWJunior Dippin' Dots Don't Rule?

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    So I should believe John Shannon on how there's tension between Babcock and Matthews then? He's no McKenzie, but he knows the game and I'm sure he has sources around the league.
     
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    Sure ya do. Hope you can take the heat when he’s not a leaf
     
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    You can belive whatever you want but anyone of these guys can get info from time to time
     
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    If Staple doesn't have connections to the Islanders, why would The Athletic keep him around?

    The transition of power from Snow to Lou must be nervewracking for Staple. Once Tavares signs one way or the other, interest in all things Islanders goes steeply downhill from a leaguewide perspective. If Lou runs his organization with such tight lips, that means less info for Staple to report.

    What becomes of a hockey insider whose connection to the inside gets severed and replaced by a brick wall?

    Are you even reading what I'm saying?

    You seem to be countering a point about Arthur Staple's credibility when that post is exclusively about insiders giving factual reports vs. throwing out speculation.
     
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    Shannon's got legit sources. He knows well connected agents and he even knows Lamoriello well enough to have dinner with him. I would say this would qualify him as an insider.

    I don't know many people in sports media that Lou would dine with.
     
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    Ok, I think Shannon is legit and I'll believe him. This Staple article is an opinion piece so take out of it what you will. At least Shannon's report is something specific with who, what, where, and when established.
     
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    I'm saying nobody knows where the info came from and we can't just discredit it and call it speculation
     
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    And sometimes a writer puts something out where sources can't be released in fear of not getting anymore scoops cause he outed someone with too much info. Every scenario is different
     
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    Over STL? I think there's maybe a 1% chance he comes to the Blues, but there's no doubt in my mind he fits the Blues better than any other team mentioned. The Blues top 2 centers right now are Schenn and prospect Robert Thomas.
     
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    Personally I am not a fan of Shannon but I think he has some credibility. As such, I would believe it. It is not unfathomable for a coach and player not to always see eye to eye. That is not to say the issue(s) cannot be fixed.

    What point are you trying to make here bringing up Shannon when we are discussing Staple and JT being interested in playing for his home team. Which BTW is the only reason I would put the Leafs ahead of any team other than the Isles when it comes to signing JT.
     
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    Again, the Leafs claimed they could that that, however in the end they never did. It became unnecessary after the Marchenko contract was terminated.
     
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    Close. Toronto was the ONLY team Stamkos met with outside of Tampa.
     
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    Really think the Devils are a favorite here. Shero's keeping this pretty low-key, but I'd be very surprised if he doesn't offer Tavares a very competitive contract to stay close to home (edit: home as in where he currently spends the majority of his time) and play on an up-and-coming team with a future Hart Trophy winner.

    But I'm clearly biased.
     
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    I don’t think Tavares will leave to stay that close. The Devils like Vegas are currently an unproven commodity who may have goaltending issues and is very young. I think if he’s taking his talents elsewhere it’s not going to be close by to NYI and will be a team that is more proven to be a contender. I agree that Shero makes an offer though if Tavares makes it to 6/25
     
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    if Tavares leaves he is not going to stay in the division, he is going to be aware he is going to be hated by a large amount of the Isles fan base and I am sure he is not interested in playing the Islanders 6 times a year
     
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    If he's going to sign in the division, he should sign with Pittsburgh if winning matters above all else.
     
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    Why would I be "taking heat"?
     
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    Why wouldn't he want to play the Islanders? Does he not like to pad his stats or something?
     
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    Naw, why it doesn't make a ton of sense this situation actually happens a lot. Whenever a star or high end player is coming up for UFA who is either too important for the franchise or needed for a playoff run the most common outcome is teams risk them leaving as its too important to have them or to give every effort to resign them. We saw this with Stamkos as well as guys like Stastny in Colorado a few years ago.

    Its actually pretty rare for GMs to trade guys who haven't signed yet. In NYI's case specifically if JT leaves it completely blows up that team so they're likely to try everything, including firing the entire front office and coaching staff in a last ditch effort to keep him.
     
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    See this sounds good in theory, and as a fan I know you want to believe it, but it's ultimately bull****.

    If the Devils/Rangers/Penguins offer the right money and fit what JT is looking for, he's going to ink the contract without much thought about what division they're in. I doubt he's worried about what Islanders fans think.

    From the Devils, see: Gomez, Holik, JMac, etc
     
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    The Isles only play in the toughest division in hockey. This division has yielded the Cup winner 3 years in a row. Pad stats? Another misinformed post here.
     

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