TSN: Arpon Basu on Bergevin's presser.

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  1. Runner77

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    Unfortunately, Marc Bergevin's most convincing presentation was the one when he pitched his services to Molson and Savard. He should have bottled the recipe and used it in his trade talks.

    And the second most convincing pitch that Bergevin undertook, was the one that caused him to notch an outlandish contractual extension. Bergevin's agent should be the one running the Habs.
     
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    Not redundant - pointless.

    Yes lol several times.

    But you have to be willing to be receptive in order to notice I guess...which is kind of my point, I don't think anyone cares about him taking responsibility, we all know who is responsible.

    You're not looking for accountability, you're looking for change.

    You need to hear Bergevin to admit he acquired those players, to know he acquired those players?

    Can't say I disagree there.

    I don't need Bergevin's comments interpreted...it's all hot air to me, I really don't care what he says at this point. I also don't need him to tell me it's fault, I know it's his fault.
     
  3. Habs Icing

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    No one is talking about blame. We're talking about admitting to mistakes.

    The first step in resolving a mistake is to admit that one was made. I have yet to hear Bergevin say he made any mistakes. That tells me nothing is getting fixed next season. Oh, we'll see lots of movement - moves like Streit, Hemsky, the booting of Radulov, Markov but nothing that will resolve the weahnesses of this club.
     
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    Price is an easy target for opposing teams. He's the link from where the house of cards collapses. All it takes is a high shot to his mask, which almost any NHL player is capable of. Plus, everyone knows that Price's teammates will leave him fending for himself when opposing players accidentally on purpose run him down.
     
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    Give us three mistakes he admitted to making.
     
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    I listed a couple at the request of someone else earlier...but I don't know why I'd be responsible for providing that.

    Did you listen press conference in its entirety?

    If yes, then i'm not quite sure how you missed the MULTIPLE times he took accountability/responsibility for certain things.

    The press conference is available online everywhere...i'm sure you can listen to it again.
     
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    Maybe you should go listen to it again.

    Taking accountability and acknowledging mistakes are not the same thing. You said he admitted to mistakes. He didn't. Example this attitude BS story. He admitted it's his responsibility to clean it up but he never admitted to getting the players with a bad attitude and he never admitted to sitting on his hands when he first noticed the "attitude problem" back in September. Another example it's a janitor's responsibility to clean up the garbage on a bathroom floor but if he doesn't admit that he continuously forgets to empty out the garbage bag the bathroom is always going to be full of litter.
     
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    I did

    It's not?

    Oddly enough, responsibility is a synonym of accountability.

    It's literally the same thing - you'd be better off just admitting you don't care about him being accountable or responsible, since you already know he's accountable and responsible for the teams performance this year.

    Actually he did...when Réjean Tremblay called him out specifically for repeating "attitude", Tremblay told Bergevin that he's the GM and if the attitude was bad, that it was on him. Here is the exchange, word for word

    RJ: "Marc, créer une attitude, a moins que je me trompe, c'est le Directeur Générale, c'est le coach et les adjoints...c'est quoi ta part , c'est quoi la part du coach, c'est quoi la part des autres, qui ont raté cette attitude la?"
    MB: "Raté? Ecoute, je prends les responsabilité dans ca, ta raison, comme Directeur Générale ca tombe sur mes épaules."

    I hope you speak/read french...
     
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    Does anyone honestly believe this?

    If Bergevin still has a job it's because Molson believes he can turn things around. It's NOT because he doesn't want to pay double salary for a new gm.

    Bergevin's salary is peanuts compared to the amount of money lost to the Habs for under-performing the way they did this year.
     
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    Are you arguing with yourself or some make believe person from your imagination. I never said accountability and responsibility are not the same. Funny you quoted exactly what I said and then went on to misrepresent the quote. Un****ingbelieveable. I said taking accountability and acknowledging mistakes are not the same thing. If you don't believe me go to your post where you quoted me.
     
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    I'm from Montreal. Yes, I read and speak French. You might want to take a refresher course in French comprehension. In that quote he as the GM takes responsibilty BUT he doesn't admit to having made any mistakes. The responsibility falls on his shoulders. In other words he didn't do anything wrong but it happened on his watch so it falls on him. What mistake did he admit to? Taking the GM job? Collecting 2 to 4.5 mil a year?
     
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    It's really too bad...what's the point of having the slowest D in the past 10 years of the league if they can't stick up for the goalie? Benn, Schlemko, Alzner... even Weber when he plays isn't as physical as he was.
     
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    Yeah Bergevin likes to talk about 103 points last season, but as you said, failed to mention firing the coach. In addition, I think most of us on here, and fans in general, correctly predicted that team would fall victim to an early playoff exit. It was that obvious.
     
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    My mistake...understand I'm multi-tasking at work and probably just read that too quickly.

    Settle down
     
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    Huh? Lol

    Tremblay literally asked him about the attitude he kept referring too and said as the GM, doesn't it fall on his shoulders.

    And MB responded yes, as the GM, the attitude of his players falls on him.

    I don't need a refresher course in french comprehension, there's nothing anyone who speaks French couldn't understand...and Im also a francophone lol...I dont know why you're making this personal.

    This isn't about me.

    You're interpreting his comments as you see fit...

    You want him to take responsibility for taking a GM job and getting paid for it?

    Wtf does that even mean lol

    It sounds like you expected him to stand there and call himself an idiot or hurl insults at himself.

    The best part of your post is where you say "in other words, he didn't do anything wrong"

    Those aren't other words...they're yours lol

    As soon as you say "in other words", it then becomes YOUR interpretation and it's no longer what he said. You're spinning, which is fine, but you shouldn't pass off your spin as someone else's thoughts or intentions
     
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    I dont need MB to tell me he has done a crappy job to know he has done a crappy job.

    What concerns me is I have no confidence in him to do what is right for the team to advance us towards a Cup and what he has been saying causes me more concern not less.

    The Rangers said they were rebuilding and familiar faces would be moved. And they moved a 2C to draft a player with 1C potential. This is transparency and also a plan.

    MB is babbling about " Attitude". MB defended not offering more money to sign Rads and to him that still makes sense. He doesnt have to offer to poke an eye out but I sure as heck want to know that he gets it and has actually learned. But he is not showing that to me.
     
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    I don't think I've ever witnessed a worse case of giving someone another chance to fail. It's Bergevin's 7th off season, if he hasn't been able to do it by now, what will drop from the sky that will make a difference?
     
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    I even predicted how many goals they would score.
     
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    Especially when he doesn't actually think his team is that bad but merely in need of an attitude adjustment! You can't fix a problem that you refuse to acknowledge. Lack of talented players is an unacknowledged problem. Lack of a top line center is an unacknowledged problem. Lack of a first pairing puck moving defenseman is an unacknowledged problem. Most of all, an incompetent GM is an unacknowledged problem.

    But according to Molson and Bergevin, the only problem they've got is a handful of players with bad mojo. Nothing to see here.
     
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    Ha, that's a Dr. Phil staple: "You can't change what you don't acknowledge." Well put.

    I can imagine how they concocted the "Attitude" theme for their PC.
    1. Let's create a label.
    2. Attach problems to the label that cannot be quantified or clearly ascertained.
    3. Blame the label.
    4. Distance yourself from the label.
    5. Offer yourself as the savior of the problems evoked by the label.
    Crisis management diversion scenario par excellence.
     
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    I found great synonyms for "character" on the new Thesaurus.com!
     
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    2 of the best plays from a Hab in recent memory was Price smoking Kreider and Price pounding Palmieri.

    I like that he does it but definitely should not have to. :fight:
     
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    I think the media is more and more pilling on Bergevin, because they know he's more and more vulnerable in the organization. Good thing.
     
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    I’ve noticed that Bergevin says “it’s on me to fix” much more than “I’ve made the mess”.

    I’m thinking synergy is next year’s buzzword. Maybe we could have a pool.
     
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    Deus ex machina.
     
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