Around the League Thread: 2017 Season Begins
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Mikeyg
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Alright cookie im doing this rapid fire style
On kadri: No that isn't right, wilson was still in win now mode, wasn't interested in developing players. The argument which supports my philosphy would be that kadri didn't have the necessary skill at that time to play in that top 6 capacity. Now, the difference between the 2 situations is that kadri's skill set and junior production give him a longer leash. It is foolish to believe that draft position doesn't impact future opportunities. As I said though, kadri's leash would certainly be longer than crouse's and that really isn't debatable. You also have to keep and mind that the context is much different. The coyotes of 2017 were very much an aimless team that really had nothing to play for after november, there was amble opportunity for crouse to play higher in the lineup. You can't really argue that the team had nothing to lose and also choose not to fully develop the potential within their rookie players.
On the rookie production:
I don't have time to do this, but if u look up the average ppg of top 15 forwards in their draft year (lets just say those who play at least 50 games) im sure he would be much lower than the mean. I don't understand how u think im equating him with matthews? matthews is one of the best rookies in the history of the game and he got what? a .8 ppg? simple math dictates that .15ppg would be 5 or so standard deviations away from that, so imho i'd say that qualifies as the low end, so i'm not sure what you are trying to say there.
You're probably right, I'm the troll here. I'm the guy who came in, made a logic post on expectations then backed it up with a study on those expectations.
Crazy me, I should have just assumed he'd be an offensive catalyst. Afterall, he is an 11th overall pick, so you'd think he'd produce like one....oh wait, they don't usually produce like offensive catalysts. You mention deductive reasoning, but you don't seem to grasp the concept or be able to apply it. Your response to the article shows that.
You have no interest in a logic discussion, that's apparent in your posts. How many shots have you taken at people in your responses? Don't cry because you're getting the same treatment right back.
And why can't we be pals? Looks like you could use a friend right now.
You know what's funny? I'm betting at least some of the people arguing about Crouse here have used the whole "He's a first round draft pick; you shouldn't draft non-offensive players here!" argument to argue that drafting Gauthier was a stupid move. If it's a stupid move at 23, how in the hell is it okay at 11? And then the team that drafted him traded him before he turned 19... Of course, that's not an argument for or against anything, but unless the GM's being a moron (JFJ), you generally don't trade guys that young unless it's for a really good player. What'd Florida get for Crouse? He was thrown into the Dave Bolland cap dump... and basically traded for a 2nd and a 3rd. No one sees a problem with this, that his value dropped THAT much in a year?
sabremike
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The fact that teams have to give compensation to teams for coaches they sacked is one of the most insane things about the NHL and think of the ground that covers.
Daisy Jane
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because the NHL is dumb. this is how it should have gone.
Compensation:
If you an executive - you lose a 2nd round pick.
If you are an NHL Ass. Coach - you lose a 3rd round pick
If you are an AHL coach - you lose a 4th round pick.
if your contract is over -
if a coach - your contract is over when your team is eliminated.
if executive - your contract is over July 1st
no compensation.
IF YOU ARE FIRED - NO COMPENSATIOn.
actually your compensation is no more paying the fired guys' salary.
how you screw that up is beyond me.
Babs shouldn't have had a pick
Lou does.
Torts shouldn't have.
Shero shouldn't have.
LeafsNation75
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It was Detroit who set the rules as to what compensation they would have got for Babcock since they allowed him to talk with other teams, because come July 1, 2015 his contract would be officially finished and they would have got nothing for him. Maybe the Leafs and the other teams could have waited but in the long run I think giving them the pick was worth it.
Where I don't think the Leafs should have given up a draft pick was for Lou Lamoriello. When he resigned from New Jersey he was just their President since Ray Shero had taken over as their GM. When the Leafs hired him it was to just be their GM and no other title. Plus since Shanahan admitted he got permission from the Devils to speak with him why were they entitled to a draft pick if they were going to let him leave if he wanted to.
Where the Leafs got screwed by these compensation rules was not getting a draft pick when Dave Nonis got hired by Anaheim as a special assignment scout and a consultant to the team's general manager on July 3, 2015 when he was still getting paid by the Leafs.
Finally it's to bad Randy Carlyle got hired by Anaheim when he did because chances are the Leafs would have wanted a draft pick the way Vancouver got a 2nd round pick for letting Columbus hire John Tortorella.
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BertCorbeau
F*ck cancer - RIP Fugu and Buffaloed
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I changed my name from "nipponjin" last summer.
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Daisy Jane
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Burke is threatening if CGY doesn't get a new rink they will move.
honestly. this is where if I were the NHL, i'd be like. Okay. move. but we're only supporting a team in CGY.
honestly. this is where if I were the NHL, i'd be like. Okay. move. but we're only supporting a team in CGY.
LeafsNation75
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Did you happen to see the comment from someone in attendance who said "Most intelligent people know how to tie a tie" in reference to how Burke looked during his comments.
http://www.tsn.ca/burke-flames-could-move-without-new-rink-1.772863
BertCorbeau
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Yeah that'll speed up the process
:I bet the Flames have a new rink in 5-7 years ... A location (outside of what was already proposed) has already been heavily looked into. It just has to come down to who pays for it, or rather, how soon it will take the Flames to realize the City won't chip in a significant part (think over 30%) of the cost to build.
Daisy Jane
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i heard on the radio. i laughed hard.
and I agree Bert. like what do they think threatening the City is going to do? They'll go OMG NOOOOOOO PLEASE DON'T GO! like i tell yah this is why i'm not allowed to be in charge.
If i were Nenshi, I'd be like okay, have fun moving.
and if i were the NHL, i'd be okay have fun moving because we don't support it.
it's such an empty threat.
LeafsNation75
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Having Russell sign a nice fat long term contract with the Oilers would make me incredibly happy
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