Speculation: Armchair GM thread: Hamonic frequencies

[Sparky93]

I think it's probably his health more than anything. Not sure if he was able to get back to form after his surgery.

If he was able to play just like when he was here, and if he would sign cheap, that's a no-brainer. He was a good goalie for us, and at times dominant. Realistically, he was similar to Brian Elliott during their respective tenures.

That's what I was thinking. While I don't think he's was great here, he got hung out to dry more than Elliott ever did, especially that last year.

 

[Lunatik]

I think it's probably his health more than anything. Not sure if he was able to get back to form after his surgery.

If he was able to play just like when he was here, and if he would sign cheap, that's a no-brainer. He was a good goalie for us, and at times dominant. Realistically, he was similar to Brian Elliott during their respective tenures.

Ramo is a ****** backup. He always struggled unless he was given the majority of starts and then he was still average at hest

 

[Mobiandi]

Hard, hard pass on Ramo. He's no better than Rittich at this point

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Ramo is a ****** backup. He always struggled unless he was given the majority of starts and then he was still average at hest

This totally. Unless he gets in a rhythm he was awful.

 

[The Gnome]

I have no interest in Vrbata, he wasn't good in Vancouver before the bottom fell out there. He seems to only do well without pressure. Not a risk worth taking since I think he'll get 3.5+

I also wouldn't buyout Bouma because we don't need to. I'd rather pay him this year and not have any buyout penalties next year when Backlund is up because just the expiration of the Raymond buyout will get us within a million of what we need for Backlund.

Also no interest in bringing back Versteeg. I find him useless when he's not producing and he doesn't use his linemates all that well. If we're going to pay a PP specialist, which is all Versteeg is, I'd rather pay Iginla who brings more to the table in terms of intensity and physicality. Plus then maybe Gully will stop using a forward at the point on the PP.

If Vrbata is that much, then no, we don't really have the cap space without losing a guy like Stajan. That said, he put up great stats last year on a horrible team, and though he struggled in Vancouver, after last season's strong performance, it's worth the risk on a 2 year 3 million per type deal. Looking back on his career, I wouldn't assume he folds under pressure, but I cannot say that for certain.

Your take on Versteeg vs. Iginla, is an interesting thought, I like it. Also, I didn't think about this, but after losing Engelland, it'd be nice to have a face smasher in the lineup when we play ANA, EDM, LA, etc...I would just hope he can still keep up skating wise.

As for Bouma, if we can trade him for a bag of pucks, that'd be my first choice. I just don't think he's a better option then some of our AHL guys who should be ready to go next year. Bury him if need be, but I wouldn't want a poor attitude affecting our minor team.

 

[Mobiandi]

This totally. Unless he gets in a rhythm he was awful.

He never really got in a rhythm. Never really remember him going on a stretch of more than two good games. Poster boy for incosistency

 

[Sparky93]

Jackets:
Ferland
Kylington

Flames:
Jenner

Tkachuk-Monahan-Gaudreau
Jenner-Backlund-Frolik
Jankowski-Bennett-Lazar

Rumours the Jackets are trying to move Murray for a centre. Ferland isn't as good as Jenner but they also get a possible replacement for Murray in the future. Gives us 3 great, well rounded lines, with skill, speed and grit.

 

[Mr Snrub]

Jackets:
Ferland
Kylington

Flames:
Jenner

Tkachuk-Monahan-Gaudreau
Jenner-Backlund-Frolik
Jankowski-Bennett-Lazar

Rumours the Jackets are trying to move Murray for a centre. Ferland isn't as good as Jenner but they also get a possible replacement for Murray in the future. Gives us 3 great, well rounded lines, with skill, speed and grit.

Don't want to trade Ferland until he breaks out and we know for sure how good he'll be. Personally I think he'll end up better than Jenner, although that might be homerism on my part.

 

[Lunatik]

He never really got in a rhythm. Never really remember him going on a stretch of more than two good games. Poster boy for incosistency

That was his rhythm

 

[Sparky93]

Don't want to trade Ferland until he breaks out and we know for sure how good he'll be. Personally I think he'll end up better than Jenner, although that might be homerism on my part.

I don't see Ferland ever being as good as Jenner. Jenner just turned 24, has 4 seasons in and is almost a .5 PPG, on career average already. A couple nice playoff performances too.

 

[Flames Fanatic]

Don't want to trade Ferland until he breaks out and we know for sure how good he'll be. Personally I think he'll end up better than Jenner, although that might be homerism on my part.

Yeah... I can't help but feel like this is a little homer-ish.

Jenner's worst season since his rookie year was still better than Ferland's and he's a bit younger to boot.

 

[Volica]

For a minute I misread that as 5.85 AAV and I almost choked on my lunch

I read it as a 2 year deal originally for some reason, and was like... 3 mil for Kassian. Someone needs to talk to Chia.

 

[Mr Snrub]

I don't see Ferland ever being as good as Jenner. Jenner just turned 24, has 4 seasons in and is almost a .5 PPG, on career average already. A couple nice playoff performances too.

Yeah... I can't help but feel like this is a little homer-ish.

Jenner's worst season since his rookie year was still better than Ferland's and he's a bit younger to boot.

You never know. Ferland started playing pretty late and has the speed and sense to play with Johnny and Mony. He has a goal-scorer's eye, which shows a certain amount of hockey sense, and has been our best all-around forward in the playoffs, so you know he has a decent ceiling. Has only played two seasons to Jenner's four, neither of which looked like a breakout, so I think he keeps improving. He's my dark horse candidate for 25 goals in a year or two, think he has real top six potential.

 

[Calculon]

If Ferland plays most of the season next to Gaudreau and Monahan and actually gets some powerplay time, 25 goals is definitely possible.

More importantly, he's going to be a lot more cost effective down the road. Jenner's got one more year left at 2.9M and then you're probably looking at 4M+ to keep him longterm. Ferland should come in at around 2M for three or so years.

With the Hamonic acquisition, the Flames aren't really in a position to give up cheap depth as much as that's going to bug some people. Because if they do so, once the core is fully paid they're going to struggle to find adequate cheap depth that can provide meaningful contributions. And then at that point, you're looking at another Phaneuf like deal, where the Flames give up the far better piece just to compensate for their meagre farm system.

Speaks volumes that Treliving preferred to give up picks than prospects (or at least one prospect in particular) in the Hamonic deal.

 

[Sparky93]

You never know. Ferland started playing pretty late and has the speed and sense to play with Johnny and Mony. He has a goal-scorer's eye, which shows a certain amount of hockey sense, and has been our best all-around forward in the playoffs, so you know he has a decent ceiling. Has only played two seasons to Jenner's four, neither of which looked like a breakout, so I think he keeps improving. He's my dark horse candidate for 25 goals in a year or two, think he has real top six potential.

Jenner already has a 30 goal season under his belt. I love Ferland but if we can package him for an upgrade, that plays a similar style, I wouldn't hesitate. Paying close to $2 million for intangibles and one season north of 20 points makes me nervous. Even though it's Ferland and I know it shouldn't.

 

[Mr Snrub]

Thinking about it more and what I've seen of Jenner, Sparky is right. I would definitely flip Ferland and Kylington for Jenner, he's only going to get better. I'm reticent because we don't yet know how good Ferland will be, but Jenner is so young that the move simply makes sense.

Problem is I doubt CBJ sells that low on Jenner, even if they're trying to find a replacement for Murray. Might cost Andersson + Ferland instead :/

 

[Calculon]

Tkachuk-Monahan-Gaudreau
Frolik-Backlund-Yakupov
Ferland-Bennett-Lazar
Stajan-Jankowski-Brouwer
Bouma/Hathaway/Hamilton/Chiasson

If anyone can make Yakupov look decent, it's Backlund.

 

[Sparky93]

Tkachuk-Monahan-Gaudreau
Frolik-Backlund-Yakupov
Ferland-Bennett-Lazar
Stajan-Jankowski-Brouwer
Bouma/Hathaway/Hamilton/Chiasson

If anyone can make Yakupov look decent, it's Backlund.

Yes, if McDavid, Draisaitl and Stastny can't, surely Backs can! Yakupov is done.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

I really don't think the Flames braintrust is concerned about our forward group. I think they think this group can win a championship with a bit more experience and some minor depth tweaks and better goaltending. Throwing prospects like Kylington, Fox or Andersson into trades already featuring a core piece like Ferland or Bennett for pending free agents due for a pay raise is just fans thinking the grass is greener on the other side.

 

[Sparky93]

They probably should be. Any group that has Versteeg, as your 5th leading forward producer, probably has room for improvement.

 

[Volica]

 

[Volica]

They probably should be. Any group that has Versteeg, as your 5th leading forward producer, probably has room for improvement.

If Bennett and Tkachuk improve YOY.
Versteeg being your 6th leading scorer at a 0.5ppg pace... Really isn't the worst thing in the world.

 

[Sparky93]

If Bennett and Tkachuk improve YOY.
Versteeg being your 6th leading scorer at a 0.5ppg pace... Really isn't the worst thing in the world.

Quite honestly, I'd rather not have him back. Give Janko an extra year experience, even if it's at wing, until a spot opens up next year. Do whatever it takes to get rid of the Brouwer contract, next offseason, even if it means giving up a defenseman prospect. I think it's inevitable he's ends up on the 4th line, by the end of the season and that's just too much cash tied up on the 4th to be successful. Use the cap savings from Versteeg and Brouwer to make a big push for Neal, in free agency.

 

[Flames Fanatic]

Quite honestly, I'd rather not have him back. Give Janko an extra year experience, even if it's at wing, until a spot opens up next year. Do whatever it takes to get rid of the Brouwer contract, next offseason, even if it means giving up a defenseman prospect. I think it's inevitable he's ends up on the 4th line, by the end of the season and that's just too much cash tied up on the 4th to be successful. Use the cap savings from Versteeg and Brouwer to make a big push for Neal, in free agency.

To be fair, at least theoretically our 4th line can become a 6 million dollar line instead of a 10 million line

 

[Lunatik]

To be fair, at least theoretically our 4th line can become a 6 million dollar line instead of a 10 million line

All it takes is Brouwer bouncing back this year and the 4th line could be a $3 million line next year.