Speculation: Armchair GM and Rumors Thread XX

[Johnny Hoxville]

He did, but Kane missed some time.

Kane is a big power forward, who actually plays like one.

Colborne is actually 2 years older than Kane, if you can believe that.

If anyone actually thinks Colborne is better, LOL to that.

I don't, but Kane makes over 5 million a season and has baggage. It's not unreasonable to think a team would get fed up with him at some point.

There's no denying he has more talent than Joe, despite him never coming close to playing to it.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

What part of Kane's skills set is Elite?

His Inverse Hockey Sense

 

[Rangediddy]

I don't, but Kane makes over 5 million a season and has baggage. It's not unreasonable to think a team would get fed up with him at some point.

There's no denying he has more talent than Joe, despite him never coming close to playing to it.

And why would we want that baggage only to get fed up with him at some point as well? Joe's on an upward trend and is far cheaper. Wouldn't surprise me to see him go 25-25-50 next year.

 

[Calculon]

Colborne for Kane would be selling high on the former and buying low on the latter.

Really, really high chance that Colborne never repeats his 19% shooting percentage from last season. And no guarantee he can replicate his play when the games actually matter or away from Backlund either.

Kane's history is a concern but if the cost was just Colborne (assuming the Flames still get the player at 8th they would have taken at 6th otherwise), then it's pretty much a sure, why not. Always a possibility that Kane figures things out and returns to be a 30 goal scorer alongside Bennett.

 

[DFF]

Problem with Colbourn is how much money does he want?

He can be good player to have on the 3rd line. Maybe even 2nd if he continues to improve.

 

[Yung Rotini]

I'd do Colborne for Kane any day of the ****ing week.

Buffalo wouldn't.

 

[slappipappi]

And why would we want that baggage only to get fed up with him at some point as well? Joe's on an upward trend and is far cheaper. Wouldn't surprise me to see him go 25-25-50 next year.

Joe's upwards trend likely ends right now. Unless he continues to play top 6 minutes, hell see his points decline.

If Joe gets enough premium ice time to improve over last year, the Flames are likely a non-playoff team again.

Buffalo paid plenty to get Kane, and while his injuries have been a concern, his talent has not been,

Kane scored 20 goals, averaged over 4 shots per game, and had a .7.4% shooting percentage.

Joe had 19 goals in more games, averaged about 1.4 shots per game with a 19% shooting percentage.

You tell me who's better bet going forward.

 

[MonyontheMoney]

Bringing Kane to Calgary, along with his attitude and issues they cause is a big no-no.

Don't want him anywhere near this team.

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

I could see Montreal having interest in Logan Brown. Wonder what we could get off them?

Hickey + 6 + 53

For

9 and McCarron?

 

[BurnEmUp]

Evander Kane is extremely overrated and ridiculously overpaid.

Plus he's a 1st class A-hole.

Always hurt, terrible hockey IQ, doesn't utilize his team mates properly, can barely produce 0.5 points per game anymore, all for $5.25 per season? LOL no thanks.

Colborne @ roughly $3 million per is better than Evander Kane @$5.25 per every day of the week.

 

[Body Checker]

Panthers paid a 2nd to get savard off their books. Would you trade the Florida 2nd and stajan to hurricanes for a 6th? They have a ton of space and we are going to be really tight against the cap.

 

[AgeOfBennett]

Panthers paid a 2nd to get savard off their books. Would you trade the Florida 2nd and stajan to hurricanes for a 6th? They have a ton of space and we are going to be really tight against the cap.

I'd definitely think about it. What's Stajans NTC like?

 

[Bouma Fett*]

Panthers paid a 2nd to get savard off their books. Would you trade the Florida 2nd and stajan to hurricanes for a 6th? They have a ton of space and we are going to be really tight against the cap.

No. I think Stajan is a real possibility to be claimed in the expansion draft

 

[InfinityIggy]

Why do we need to get rid of Stajan? He has one season left and will be very useful as a bottom 6 C next season.

His contract is the least of our worries IMO.

 

[MonyontheMoney]

Yeah, Stajan is still a useful player, he's just overpaid. There are other candidates who should go before him.

 

[Calculon]

Why do we need to get rid of Stajan? He has one season left and will be very useful as a bottom 6 C next season.

His contract is the least of our worries IMO.

*Two seasons left

Also, the Flames *need* Stajan to meet the minimum games played requirement for forwards. Him and Bouma are the only two forwards under contract that can be safely exposed that also meet the expansion draft requirements.

Also also, he's borderline untradeable.

 

[slappipappi]

No. I think Stajan is a real possibility to be claimed in the expansion draft

Remember, the expansion team can only take one player form each team.

They aren't going to choose a player that the Flames can't give away.

If the expansion team wants Stajan, they'll simply choose the best player the Flames leave unprotected, then go to the Flames and ask them what they want to give them to take Stajan off their hands.

That way they can get the best unprotected player, Stajan and likely some draft pick.

Teams that think the expansion team will take their overpaid crap are in for a lesson.

 

[slappipappi]

Also, the Flames *need* Stajan to meet the minimum games played requirement for forwards. Him and Bouma are the only two forwards under contract that can be safely exposed that also meet the expansion draft requirements.

Also also, he's borderline untradeable.

I thought those requirements were no longer applicable?

 

[Calculon]

I thought those requirements were no longer applicable?

They removed the minimum salary cap threshold. They kept the minimum games played requirement:

Teams must offer at least one defenceman and two forwards who are under contract for 2017-18. Those players must have played a minimum of 40 games in the NHL in 2016-17 or at least 70 games in the NHL from 2015-16 through 2016-17. Current clubs will also have to offer a goaltender who’s under contract for 2017-18 or an RFA-to-be in 2018. Of the 30 players selected, at least 20 must be under contract for 2017-18. There is a minimum per position. For example, the new entry/entries must pick at least three goalies.​

Not really a huge deal. If the Flames deal Stajan or Bouma, they can still re-sign Colborne and/or McGinn in free agency for two years or more, give Bollig a one year extension next May, etc.

At the moment, the Flames don't have a goalie or any defencemen that meets that minimum requirement though (safely assuming Giordano/Hamilton/Brodie will be protected).

 

[Bouma Fett*]

witho ne year left the contract isn't that bad for an expansion team to take. Veteran, reliable bottom 6 player with leadership qualities. The Flames aren't going to have a ton of signifigant good players available, pretty much our entire core will be protected. And the expansion team will need to hit the cap floor.

Not saying for sure Stajan will be claimed, but it's possible. If we sign Colborne to a 2 year deal I think he will end up being the one taken

 

[Mr Lebowski]

3.5 for 1 year isn't that bad for solid bottom 6 player

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

@Calc
Forwards: So Bouma Stajan would fill the 2 spots. If we trade one of them (unlikely) we need to re-sign Colbourne to a two year deal. If Colbourne takes off we could always expose Frolik.

Defence: Sign Jokkipakka to 2 year deal.

Goalie: Sign Ortio to 2 year deal (950k).

The expansion draft is easy peasy for the Flames.

 

[Calculon]

Frolik won't be exposed unless his play drops off dramatically; would probably be someone like Jooris or his replacement that get's exposed in that scenario.

Yeah otherwise, pretty easy. Even a one year extension of Jokipakka would work (he's an RFA next summer).

Although, depending on how the year goes, might be some strategy involved in who they choose to expose. For example, if Jokipakka/Kulak/Wotherspoon have strong seasons, maybe even solidify themselves as top four defencemen, then maybe Treliving opts to expose one of Colborne/Frolik/Ferland to distract the Las Vegas Casino Heists and hopefully save that defenceman.