Are we ready to admit that Reinhart is a bust?

Discussion in 'Buffalo Sabres' started by Cannonball0828, Oct 11, 2017.

?

Bust?

  1. Bust?

    5.9%
  2. Not

    74.3%
  3. Half Bust

    15.8%
  4. Mega Bust

    4.0%
  1. Jame

    Jame Registered User Sponsor

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2002
    Messages:
    44,872
    Likes Received:
    129
    Trophy Points:
    177
    Location:
    Florida
    This has made me chuckle outloud twice today
     
  2. valet

    valet Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2017
    Messages:
    162
    Likes Received:
    17
    Trophy Points:
    18
    So, are we ready to admit that Housley and Botteril are busts yet?
     
  3. Sabretooth

    Sabretooth Registered User

    Joined:
    May 14, 2013
    Messages:
    2,279
    Likes Received:
    26
    Trophy Points:
    46
    Location:
    Ohio
    Even sadder, apparently there was a documentary (http://www.snopes.com/disney/films/lemmings.asp) that wanted to film the lemmings natural behavior of jumping off a cliff, but when they didn't actually do it, the documentary makers threw the lemmings off the cliff to get the shots they wanted.

    In some ways it makes it a more fitting analogy, as some posters seem to crave the drama of the team and this board going over the cliff so much that they're forcing it to happen at a point in time it shouldn't be happening naturally. At least not to the post-apocalyptic level things have been around here lately.
     
  4. La Cosa Nostra

    La Cosa Nostra Caporegime

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2009
    Messages:
    10,684
    Likes Received:
    7
    Trophy Points:
    86
    How dare anyone criticize Reinhart. Reinhart>Draisaitl obviously :sarcasm:

    I was strongly for Reinhart over Bennett. But didn't even give guys like Nylander or Draisaitl a second thought. Reinhart is going to be a 55-60 point player at best. His "hockey IQ" is pretty laughable considering that's his supposed best strength/quality.

    Sabres rebuild will fail because Reinhart is just a decent player, not #2 overall pick good which we needed him to be.
     
  5. Ace

    Ace Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2015
    Messages:
    5,465
    Likes Received:
    57
    Trophy Points:
    47
    Well he wasn’t on the ice for 5 goals against today. So that’s something.
     
  6. Snippit

    Snippit Registered User

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2012
    Messages:
    6,460
    Likes Received:
    153
    Trophy Points:
    56
    He was actually not bad today. Made some good plays out there. The real concern is the 14M duo.

    This team doesn't have the depth to be spreading their few quality players out like they have. I want to see Eichel-Reinhart back together. Girgs flanking the left side
     
    Doug Prishpreed likes this.
  7. Der Jaeger

    Der Jaeger O'Reichelainenhart

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2009
    Messages:
    5,906
    Likes Received:
    96
    Trophy Points:
    61
    Location:
    Texas
    We get that Reinhart is you're whipping boy. But +/- is proven to be a fairly useless stat.
     
    Doug Prishpreed likes this.
  8. Kyndig86

    Kyndig86 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2012
    Messages:
    1,241
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    56
    Location:
    Springville, NY
    Really don't want to break up the Girgs/Eichel/Pommers line. Rather see Reinhart with ROR and Okposo. I think the 3 of them could get things going with Reinhart...that or its the worst idea I've ever had... not sure yet lol. Other part of me thinks Reinhart with ROR and Kane would work well but I'd prefer Kane to be on the 3rd line doing his own thing.

    Larry,Griffith, and Kane on the 3rd.
     
    brian_griffin likes this.
  9. pigpen65

    pigpen65 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2011
    Messages:
    2,837
    Likes Received:
    13
    Trophy Points:
    56
    He's never going to be a center, he can't skate.
     
  10. Icicle

    Icicle PUCKGASM

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2005
    Messages:
    2,277
    Likes Received:
    33
    Trophy Points:
    91
    breakup the ROR-Okposo romance. it's stale.
     
  11. Kyndig86

    Kyndig86 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2012
    Messages:
    1,241
    Likes Received:
    8
    Trophy Points:
    56
    Location:
    Springville, NY
    I had though the same to split them up but I'm going for the home run fix. Okposo or ROR on the 3rd line probably only helps one of them and splits up the talent too much on the roster.
     
  12. CacOBG

    CacOBG In the bin for Dahlin

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2015
    Messages:
    2,371
    Likes Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    46
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Mittelstadt may be on the team by the end of the year. Especially the way we are playing. Let alone next year.
     
  13. CacOBG

    CacOBG In the bin for Dahlin

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2015
    Messages:
    2,371
    Likes Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    46
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Sam is not a good winger, that is the problem. For me he either succeeds at center down the line or hes a bust as he will never be a good enough winger to justify top10 selection that wouldnt be called a bust.
     
  14. Jame

    Jame Registered User Sponsor

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2002
    Messages:
    44,872
    Likes Received:
    129
    Trophy Points:
    177
    Location:
    Florida
    90 points in first two pro seasons on the wing = not a good winger
    :rolleyes:
    ok
     
  15. CacOBG

    CacOBG In the bin for Dahlin

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2015
    Messages:
    2,371
    Likes Received:
    29
    Trophy Points:
    46
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Girgs can have 50 this season playing on Jacks wing. Does that make him an amazing hockey player worthy of top10 pick?
     
  16. Cannonball0828

    Cannonball0828 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2011
    Messages:
    437
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    34
    I see that the vast majority aren't going along with my line of thinking. That's fine. However, I am fairly sure we are seeing the beginning of Reinhart's regression now that he's not playing on Jacks wing. I can argue all I want, but people here are still going to go off of his "potential" and bring up point figures that aren't at all impressive, and where he was mainly the benefactor of playing with Eichel. I'll lay my argument to rest until the end of the season, and I'd love to be eating a whole bunch of crow, but I have a feeling he's not going to match his point total from the previous two years, and he's going to be a healthy scratch a few times.
     
  17. Aladyyn

    Aladyyn Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2015
    Messages:
    9,052
    Likes Received:
    154
    Trophy Points:
    56
    Location:
    Czech Republic
    He said as Eichel is desperately trying to reach the heights of 40% Corsi.
     
  18. Jame

    Jame Registered User Sponsor

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2002
    Messages:
    44,872
    Likes Received:
    129
    Trophy Points:
    177
    Location:
    Florida
    Do you think Girgs will score 50 this season playing with Jack?
    Do the 50 points count less because they were scored on Jack's wing?
     
  19. ADK

    ADK Registered User

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2017
    Messages:
    37
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    6
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    Ballston Lake, NY
    I will never say that Sam is a bust until..

    1) He plays an entire season at #2c
    2) With capable wingers on his line
     
  20. Cannonball0828

    Cannonball0828 Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2011
    Messages:
    437
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    34
    You really act as if the Corsi is the end-all-be-all. You state so things "matter of factly", like there's no possible way that you're wrong. Sam Reinhart has 0 points this year and has 1 total shot. I'm all for analytics, I certainly use it as a tool to evaluate a player's overall game. I understand that his 5 on 5 CF% is strong. Does that mean he's our best 5 on 5 player? If that's the sole stat you want to rely on, ignoring all of the other factors that go into it - go ahead. Corsi is not a perfect stat by any means and even the most ardent supporters of it will readily concede that point. We can continue to argue as certainly you have a wildly different viewpoint of Reinhart as I do, but time will tell. I'd rather not get into a snark exchange with you and let the season and his play speak for itself.
     
  21. Aladyyn

    Aladyyn Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2015
    Messages:
    9,052
    Likes Received:
    154
    Trophy Points:
    56
    Location:
    Czech Republic
    And you act as if the number of points after 4 (!) games is the end-all-be-all. This is a good hockey team when Sam Reinhart is on the ice. Always has been.
     
  22. OkimLom

    OkimLom Registered User

    Joined:
    May 3, 2010
    Messages:
    5,348
    Likes Received:
    18
    Trophy Points:
    56
    I'm more worried about Risto not showing signs of becoming a #1 Defenseman and every year is seemingly regressing with his play, than I am about Reinhart "busting", which is still not true. Reinhart busting is 100% based on what people's expectations are on his draft position. I think some people are so hyperbolic with their breakdown of players. If he doesn't live up to the #2 selection, OMG he's a bust, He can't play hockey, he can't skate, but his numbers indicate that he is at worst a top 6 player(probably a 2nd line guy). If you want busts, and boy do the Sabres have some in the past, look at guys who were mid 1st round picks during Darcy's reign and, who haven't played in the NHL at all. THOSE are busts.

    Reinhart has shown that he can play in this league well. Yes, it stinks he's not playing up to "2nd overall numbers"(though I disagree a little with that) but in no way is he a bust of a player.
     
  23. Icicle

    Icicle PUCKGASM

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2005
    Messages:
    2,277
    Likes Received:
    33
    Trophy Points:
    91
    Didn't Kane not get a point for the first 18 or so games last year?
     
  24. OkimLom

    OkimLom Registered User

    Joined:
    May 3, 2010
    Messages:
    5,348
    Likes Received:
    18
    Trophy Points:
    56
    Kane had 9 points in his first 18 games last season. He reached his 1st point in his 6th game, and his first goal in his 13th game.

    If memory serves me correctly, I believe he was out for a bit when we went down vs Montreal in the first game. (10-13 was 1st game and 11-9 was his 2nd game) Not sure you can blame him not getting points if he's not healthy enough to play
     
  25. Aladyyn

    Aladyyn Registered User

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2015
    Messages:
    9,052
    Likes Received:
    154
    Trophy Points:
    56
    Location:
    Czech Republic
    IIRC he had 0 goals in the first 11 games
     

Share This Page

monitoring_string = "358c248ada348a047a4b9bb27a146148"