Are the Leafs a paper tiger?

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  1. CantLoseWithMatthews

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    stats say that a league average goalie would have let in 4 goals so he was still below average. And Schneider actually had a harder night and did even better. If you can't look at it as goaltending being the difference I'm not sure what to tell you
     
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    actually, they do stop most pucks through traffic. that's what positioning is all about.
     
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    I doubt you can point out more than 1 or 2 tough saves by Andy last night.

    meanwhile, schneider made a ton of them.
     
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    So the argument is that the team that had more high danger scoring chances than the opponent and lost 6-3 did so because their defense gave up too many chances and not because of goaltending? I find that hard to buy
     
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    Most of the time you say? Interesting. I bet it would be easier if the defense stopped allowing so many of them though. Or maybe you think that last night, while having a 2 man advantage, it's Andersen's fault that Nylander took a shot on his own net....then Gardiner watched while New Jersey buried the rebound?
     
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    Liferleafer Bob's assclown

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    You should have watched the game then....
     
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    lol
     
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    yes, most breakaways are saved.

    and how many breakaways is this "so many" you say the leafs give up?
     
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    Not every shot is the same you cant just say the league average its like you are ignoring what happened in the actual game, they gave up 10 bell chances all night. The announcers literally said 'every chance they are giving up is a high end scoring chance'. The leafs gave up 3 breakaways Andersen stopped two of them. Andersen also stopped a point blank shot where johanson beat the d and passed to Henrique breaking in.

    The only bad goal let in by either goalie was JVR's where Schneider was cheating. Schneider played well and everything no doubt but to blame the goaltending last night given how many high quality scoring chances were given up is ignoring the actual problem. Doesnt mean the leafs are bad, they are the most dangerous team in the NHL offensively in my opinion but when thats the case you are sacrificing defense. No team is perfect, and to me the issue last night certainly wasnt goaltending.
     
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    They are quite capable of winning high scoring games, but in the playoffs when scores tend to be lower and tighter this will be the acid test. So for me they are not true contenders not until they can show me they can win 1-0, 2-1 or even 3-2 games. High event teams at both ends of the ice are unpredictable, and is probably a less sustainable style for overall success.
     
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    Not to step into the line of fire but I think there might be a chance that the defense AND goaltending were to blame last night.
     
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    Luckily I already did that in my previous post. If you want to borrow my Rogers game center password you can go watch the condensed game its only 7 minutes and 46 seconds long. However based on the narrative in this thread I think reality will not be addressed only advanced stats and league averages will be discussed.
     
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    Freddy wasn't that bad. Devils kept him blind with traffic and we did not clear it. A couple times our D just stood and watched. We still aren't a great team without the puck, we at generally great at keeping it once we have it though.

    Last night demonstrated why we need a Tanev type.
     
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    you named 1 in that post.
     
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    Citing Romanuk as evidence of anything is a pretty big mistake. He also said Rosen had a good night. The fact of the matter remains that even though the Leafs gave up some high danger chances, the Devils gave up more. Their goalie made the saves, ours didn't
     
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    To be fair Pittsburgh is the two time defending champion, not much to prove other than staying healthy to try and 3-peat. They have a proven track record that they can win with their defense. Leafs are still trying to prove themselves. I think they will in due time but that's the reason why people question the Leafs defense.

    I think the Leafs are crazy talented and a future cup winner but i don't see it this year. It takes a high level of consistency through a grueling 82 game season and 4 rounds of playoffs to win a cup, and such a young team typically doesn't have that mental strength and consistency to do that yet. I think they'll have a great season but lose in the second round to a team like Tampa. With that experience they come back next year with a real go at the cup.
     
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    Gosh if only they had scored 4 fewer goals against Winnipeg to win 3-2 instead, then they'd have the look of a true contender.
     
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    Uhhhh
     
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    It was Millen.

    Listen just go watch the game recap. Schneider made more saves yes but the chances given up by Toronto were very high quality. Jersey also had great excecution better than Torontos last night. Wont always be like that, Toronto would likely beat Jersey over 7 games but lets not pretend the events that occured last night didnt happen. There is video of it, its pretty hard to deny but you guys are doing a great job so far.
     
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    Without even thinking hard....the one i mentioned, and Wood's second goal....

    But what the Hell....lets do this:

    1st Jersey goal, 4 guys in front and it's tipped=Andersen's fault.

    2nd Jersey goal, Rosen and Borgman watch Wood skate on by for a breakaway=Andersen's fault

    3rd Jersey goal, Zacha totally uncovered in the slot=Andersen's fault

    4th Jersey goal, 2 man advantage...shot on own net (Nylander), blown coverage on rebound (Gardiner)=Andersen's fault

    5th Jersey goal, perfect pass by Rosen to the open Jersey player who puts it in off the post (Rosen plays for us by the way)=Andersen's fault

    6th Jersey goal, Kadri loses the faceoff....lets the player go to the net who tips in another one=Andersen's fault.

    Ya, Schnieder had a great game....no doubt, but to say we had any chance of winning that game with the way the entire team played defensively is laughable.
     
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    You did watch the game!
     
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    Liferleafer Bob's assclown

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    I was at the dam game, 1st time i have been pissed off about my season's tickets for a while. The whole team played like a dumpster fire.
     
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    three breakaways? are you just making things up now?
     
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    yes, aside from goal #3, the rest were all simple saves with better positioning.
     
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    Henrique and Wood both had clear cut breakaways. Then Henrique had a semi breakaway on the 3 on 5 where Gibbons scored on the rebound. Henrique also had a point blank chance from Johansson this is just off the top of my head.
     
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