Confirmed Trade: [ANA/NJD] Vatanen & conditional 3rd for Henrique, Blandisi & a 3rd
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caliamad
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Palmeiri would make as many bad plays as good plays. We knew he would be good, but also knew we wouldn't want to deal with his contract.
At the time, the ducks had a producing Perry and defensive specialist in Silfverberg, it's easy to see why he didn't get the ice time.
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In what world was Greene better than Vatanen last night?
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I remember sometimes even after Palmieri scored a goal, Boudreau would move him down a line the next day or have him sent down to the AHL. Out of all the players during the Boudreau era i think he got moved up & down the lines the most, one moment he's on the 3rd line & scores a goal & then the next game he's demoted to the 4th line. That was one of my critcisms with Boudreau during the regular season, he didn't let Palmieri have a stable line or one that matched his speed.
When he played on the 4th line Palmieri was the fastest forward on the 4th line & the other forwards on the ice with him weren't very fast so he'd have to slow his game down unless he got a breakaway.
Greene covered for him in the zone a few times during that game, or did you not notice? Talking about games, he was back to stinking against Montreal. For someone who was constantly criticizing Merrill for some of the same mistakes. I'm surprise you are giving Vatanen this much rope.
Revisiting this trade now ~20 games in...
Vatanen got off to a bit of a slow start with NJ (at least point wise) with just 1 assist and a -5 +/- in his first 11 games, but since then has 9 points (1 goal, 8 assists) and is +3 during those games. He also leads NJ in ice time at 21:54, ahead of Greene's 21:20. Total stat line of 1 goal, 9 assists in 20 games with a 50.6% Corsi at even strength (up from the 42.1% he had on an injury plagued Ducks team this season).
Henrique got off to a hot start with 6 points (3 goals & 3 assists) in his first 5 games as a Duck, but has cooled off a bit since with 4 points (3 goals & 1 assist) in his last 16 games (though he torched Vatanen on a highlight reel goal) and is +4 with the Ducks for a total of 10 points (6 goals, 4 assists) in 21 games. He's getting 17:55 of ice time in Anaheim, 3rd among forwards only trailing Getzlaf (20:55) and Rakell (19:36). Henrique's Corsi at even strength also improved since the trade from 45.3% with NJ to 49.3% with Anaheim. He's also known to be a streaky scorer, but is a solid all around player that contributes in other areas even when the points aren't coming.
I'm a bit surprised Blandisi didn't last longer with the Ducks (especially given the injuries) as he played just 3 games averaging 11:41 in ice time with no points and a +2. Most NJ fans had him making the team coming out of camp, though surprise performances by Bratt, Coleman and Gibbons knocked him down to the AHL. He's still putting up solid numbers with San Diego with 4 goals & 5 assists in 10 games and have to think he's on the radar for the Ducks as the next forward call up.
Still think it's a win-win deal for both clubs, as they were dealing from a position of strength to acquire a player at a position of need and both are off to reasonably good starts a quarter of the season in with their new teams. Curious to hear from Anaheim fans on how Henrique has been utilized, particularly as players come back from injury and he gets adjusted to the Ducks style of play.
Vatanen got off to a bit of a slow start with NJ (at least point wise) with just 1 assist and a -5 +/- in his first 11 games, but since then has 9 points (1 goal, 8 assists) and is +3 during those games. He also leads NJ in ice time at 21:54, ahead of Greene's 21:20. Total stat line of 1 goal, 9 assists in 20 games with a 50.6% Corsi at even strength (up from the 42.1% he had on an injury plagued Ducks team this season).
Henrique got off to a hot start with 6 points (3 goals & 3 assists) in his first 5 games as a Duck, but has cooled off a bit since with 4 points (3 goals & 1 assist) in his last 16 games (though he torched Vatanen on a highlight reel goal) and is +4 with the Ducks for a total of 10 points (6 goals, 4 assists) in 21 games. He's getting 17:55 of ice time in Anaheim, 3rd among forwards only trailing Getzlaf (20:55) and Rakell (19:36). Henrique's Corsi at even strength also improved since the trade from 45.3% with NJ to 49.3% with Anaheim. He's also known to be a streaky scorer, but is a solid all around player that contributes in other areas even when the points aren't coming.
I'm a bit surprised Blandisi didn't last longer with the Ducks (especially given the injuries) as he played just 3 games averaging 11:41 in ice time with no points and a +2. Most NJ fans had him making the team coming out of camp, though surprise performances by Bratt, Coleman and Gibbons knocked him down to the AHL. He's still putting up solid numbers with San Diego with 4 goals & 5 assists in 10 games and have to think he's on the radar for the Ducks as the next forward call up.
Still think it's a win-win deal for both clubs, as they were dealing from a position of strength to acquire a player at a position of need and both are off to reasonably good starts a quarter of the season in with their new teams. Curious to hear from Anaheim fans on how Henrique has been utilized, particularly as players come back from injury and he gets adjusted to the Ducks style of play.
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He started out as our first line center with Getzlaf and Kesler being hurt, he’s now looking like our 3C centering Ritchie and Perry/Kase. I’d definitely do this trade again, Vatanen played his way out of our top 4 and Henrique gives us the center depth we need for a deep playoff run.
As for Blandisi, I’m pretty sure he was injured which is why he doesn’t have very many games played with the Ducks, and by the time he got healthy there was just no room for him.
I might be a terrible judge of talent (actually, I probably am) but Henrique has looked pretty decent at center. Solid defensively, makes good plays, had chemistry with Perry before the injury and the 3rd line has looked good (or at least fun to watch) with Kase and Ritchie now. He's better at C than I thought based on Devils' fans description of him. Maybe (at least lately) it's because the pressure is off with Getzlaf and Kesler where he didn't have that luxury in Jersey?
Edit: Oh and glad Vatanen is doing well. I knew he'd rebound eventually, it was just a matter of recovering from the injury fully, getting up to game speed, and learning a new system. He was one of my favorite players in Anaheim and hope he does well unless he plays the Ducks.
Edit: Oh and glad Vatanen is doing well. I knew he'd rebound eventually, it was just a matter of recovering from the injury fully, getting up to game speed, and learning a new system. He was one of my favorite players in Anaheim and hope he does well unless he plays the Ducks.
I always liked Henrique at center - that's how he came into the league (between Parise and Kovalchuk) and he's a good defensive player, so it made sense. Might've had some higher production at times at LW, but thought he played both positions well.
I really like Henrique - even in games he is not scoring, he is creating chances and playing good/sound hockey. I feel he could be a 60 point player if he played on Getz's wing, but he seems to be more valuable to the Ducks by being a key cog at center on the 2nd/3rd line (even if it hurts his personal point production.) As a ducks fan, Iwould make this trade again all day long, the only option that would have intrigued me more was a deal where we included another piece to get try to get an young forward with elite upside (galchenyuk?).
Don't miss Vatanen much at all, largely due to our depth on D, and have been watching many NJ games because I really like the guy as a person and hope the best for him. I think the OP's characterization of Vats play is pretty accurate - what I have learned about him over the course of many years is he is a very useful player when he is managed correctly. He can log pretty good ice time and be effective, but he is in no way the type of top paring D you can just put out there against anyone. He has too many stinkers, especially 5 on 5, to be a to pairing. You can get away with rough games from your second pairing guy, but not your top paring. As long as he isn't asked to be too much on the defensive end, he will be a valuable asset for the devils. I always found when it comes to special teams, he is underrated on the PK (great battle for a small guy and good agility to get to loose pucks and clear) and overrated on the PP (has a great shot, but gets burned for shorties way too much, and his vision is good but by no means elite.)
Don't miss Vatanen much at all, largely due to our depth on D, and have been watching many NJ games because I really like the guy as a person and hope the best for him. I think the OP's characterization of Vats play is pretty accurate - what I have learned about him over the course of many years is he is a very useful player when he is managed correctly. He can log pretty good ice time and be effective, but he is in no way the type of top paring D you can just put out there against anyone. He has too many stinkers, especially 5 on 5, to be a to pairing. You can get away with rough games from your second pairing guy, but not your top paring. As long as he isn't asked to be too much on the defensive end, he will be a valuable asset for the devils. I always found when it comes to special teams, he is underrated on the PK (great battle for a small guy and good agility to get to loose pucks and clear) and overrated on the PP (has a great shot, but gets burned for shorties way too much, and his vision is good but by no means elite.)
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Vatanen has been hot lately good for him. Both teams got pieces they wanted with the Devils needing blueline help and the Ducks needing forward help.
Solid win-win hockey trade is still solid win-win hockey trade.
Uncle Scrooge
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Vatanen is slowly taking more responsibility. From what i heard Ducks fans thought he got a bit complacent in Anaheim, which probably hindered his development. Fresh start was good for him in terms of being forced to make himself the best player he can be.
Henrique made the Ducks as deep as anyone down the middle.
Good trade for both teams.
Henrique made the Ducks as deep as anyone down the middle.
Good trade for both teams.
Vatanen has been amazing. I'v been incredibly impressed with how good he is on the pk, and how much poise he has. He's been very good in all 3 zones.
I agree, Vatanen needed a change of scenery. He played better hockey under Boudreau than Carlyle (and yes, injuries played a good part in this). Glad he's doing well, I think nearly all Ducks fans will continue to root for him as long as he isn't playing the Ducks.
Henrique has been a great addition to the Ducks' middle six. Gotta love a win-win trade, hope it stays this way for both clubs.
Between Parise and Kovalchuk means 1C... which I wouldn't feel comfortable of him doing for the long haul. But he's settled in as the 2/3 C (depending on if you consider Kesler's shutdown line the 2nd or 3rd line).
Has New Jersey played in LA yet? If not, I may sport my Vatanen jersey and cheer you guys on at Staples!
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Good to see Vatanen's picking up. I had a feeling that he'd be better in NJ's system than ours, and once he got over that shoulder surgery.
Henrique's a streaky scorer as advertised, but does the little things right. We like Rico.
Henrique's a streaky scorer as advertised, but does the little things right. We like Rico.
Also a really great guy off the ice...that was the toughest part of the trade to swallow, just losing everything he did off the ice and in the locker room.
This needs to be the poster child for how fanbases interact and discuss a trade. Very little sniping or snark. Both sides recognize what the players bring with them and the different ways they can help a team. No one demanding or proclaiming a “winner”. NJ fans miss Rico and ANA fans miss Vats. Both teams are better off for this trade as it addressed underlying needs for both sides.
This is what a real hockey trade is supposed to be about.
This is what a real hockey trade is supposed to be about.
Henrique reads plays well. Mr. 2 on 1, and dat saucer pass tho... I'm sure Devil's fans have seen him saucer a few.
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This always was a good hockey deal. Hated to see Sami go, but hey that's the game. Mostly other team fans tried stirring shit. Much like the leaf fan few posts up.
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