All-Time Dream Team

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  1. Who would make your all-time dream team? A team that consists of the greatest players to ever play the game.

    Here is what my team would look like:

    Forwards:
    Jean Beliveau
    Mike Bossy
    Phil Esposito
    Wayne Gretzky
    Gordie Howe
    Bobby Hull
    Guy Lafleur
    Mario Lemieux
    Ted Lindsay
    Mark Messier
    Stan Mikita
    Howie Morenz
    Maurice Richard

    Defensemen:
    Raymond Bourque
    Doug Harvey
    Red Kelly
    Bobby Orr
    Denis Potvin
    Larry Robinson
    Eddie Shore

    Goaltenders:
    Jacques Plante
    Patrick Roy
    Terry Sawchuk


    Line Combinations:
    Lindsay - Gretzky - Howe
    Lemieux - Esposito - Richard
    Hull - Mikita - Bossy
    Messier - Beliveau - Lafleur
    Spare/13th forward: Morenz

    Potvin - Orr
    Harvey - Bourque
    Kelly - Shore
    Spare/7th defenseman: Robinson

    Roy
    Sawchuk
    Spare/3rd goaltender: Plante
     
  2. Habsfan 32

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    Forwards
    Wayne Gretzky
    Joe Sakic
    Jean Beliveau
    Mario Lemieux
    Gordie Howe
    Maurice Richard
    Mike Bossy
    Jarri Kurri
    Bobby Hull
    Mark Messier
    Phil Esposito
    Bryan Trottier
    Steve Yzerman

    Defenseman
    Al MacInnis
    Niklas Lidstrom
    Doug Harvey
    Bobby Orr
    Ray Bourque
    Chris Pronger
    Serge Savard

    Goalies

    Patrick Roy
    Terry Sawchuck
    Ken Dryden
     
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    Kharlamov-Gretzky-Lemieux
    Bobrov-Howe-Richard
    Krutov-Larionov-Makarov
    Yzerman-Beliveau-Bossy

    Orr-Bourque
    Fetisov-Kasatonov
    Ragulin-Harvey

    Tretiak
    Sawchuck
    Hasek
     
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    agree with Russianrocket.

    Hasek>Roy

    Habsfan, how do you have Sakic on your list? Sure he's a great player, but there are so many players I would take above him for the top 12 forwards of ALL TIME. Same with Kurri, (Jagr>Kurri).
     
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    The 1976-77 Montreal Canadiens with Bobby Orr thrown in.
     
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    Hull-Mikita-Lindsay

    Orr-Harvey
    Potvin-Bourque
    Shore-Kelly

    Hasek
    Sawchuck
    Roy

    That first line would be a dream come true to watch
     
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    I will Just do Line combo's

    Bobby Hull-Gretzky-Br. Hull
    B.Sutter-Federko-Bossy
    Nystrom-J.Otto-K.Dineen
    Gillies-D.Hunter-Probert

    Orr-MacInnis
    D.Wilson-R.Langway
    Ramage-Gassoff

    Fuhr
    McClennan-Jamie was a good guy when I met him

    Coach

    Don Cherry
     
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    I'll only go with players I remember personally...

    Goulet Gretzky Bossy
    Messier Lemieux Kurri
    Gainey Yzerman Neely
    Robitaille Francis Hull (not one of my favorites but lethal on this pp)


    Bourque Potvin
    Robinson Coffey
    Stevens Lidstrom

    Fuhr
    Brodeur

    Spares: Gillies, Denis Savard, ,Dave Langevin, Al Macinnis
     
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    If I could play Mario on LW with Beliveau in the middle and Gordie Howe on the right, and send out Orr and Harvey on defense, I wouldn't use a goalie, or I'd play Hardy Astrom or somebody. We'd never not have the puck. if Mario ever got abused ,Gordie or Doug would carve out an eye.
     
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    Hull Bobby -- Gretzky Wayne -- Howe Gordie
    Lindsay Ted -- Lemieux Mario -- Richard Maurice
    Mahovlich Frank -- Beliveau Jean -- Jagr Jaromir
    Drillon Gordie -- Esposito Phil -- Lafleur Guy


    Orr Bobby -- Harvey Doug
    Bourque Ray -- Shore Eddie
    Potvin Denis -- Kelly Red
    Coffey Paul -- Lidstrom Nicklas


    Hasek Dominik
    Roy Patrick
    Hall Glenn
     
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    Man, that line just feels right, I really think that line would work brilliantly together.
     
  12. God Bless Canada

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    If we're talking about just the top 15 forwards, 8 defencemen and three goalies of all time, without designation for checking lines and such, here are mine:

    Forwards:

    Gordie Howe
    Wayne Gretzky
    Mario Lemieux
    Maurice Richard
    Jean Beliveau
    Phil Esposito
    Bobby Clarke
    Bryan Trottier
    Stan Mikita
    Ted Lindsay
    Bobby Hull
    Howie Morenz
    Guy LaFleur
    Mike Bossy
    Mark Messier

    Defence:

    Bobby Orr
    Ray Bourque
    Doug Harvey
    Eddie Shore
    Denis Potvin
    Larry Robinson
    Red Kelly
    Paul Coffey

    Goalies:
    Jacques Plante
    Patrick Roy
    Terry Sawchuk

    Note: If selecting according to role, a guy like a Gainey would be on the team ahead of Messier, etc.
     
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  13. God Bless Canada

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    Here's why I take Roy over Hasek: Roy 3 Conn Smythe trophies, Hasek 0. You can talk about the team that Roy had in front of him, but let's remember this: those Habs teams in 1986 and 1993 were less than spectacular, and not as good as some of the Buffalo teams that Hasek played on.

    Take all your regular season accolades all you want. I'll take the guys who get it done when it actually means something. That's not to say the Conn Smythe is the be all and end all. If it was, that would put Ron Hextall and JS Giguere ahead of Hasek, and that would be wrong. But Roy's three Conns, to me, are just too much to ignore.
     
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    Nash Thornton Igilna
    Kovalchuk Forsberg Hossa
    Ruutu Datsyuk Heatley
    Zetteberg Bergeron Ryder

    Pronger Lidstrom
    Blake Chara
    Gonchar Redden

    Khabibulin
    Theodore
    Turco

    This line up, put into a time machine, beats all of the old school lineups. Better conditioning, better skills. Although I would give space for Brett Hull and Mario: they were/are just sick and translated their skills well into the contemporary age despite the trap.

    Yes, what Orr did is ten thousand times more important than Pronger. The point is that these guys today could beat any ghosts of yesteryear. I look at old film of Esposito and laugh at the shoddiness of his game. He had immense perserverance, but I think Andreychuk could have gone in a time machine and scored more goals than him. I'm trying to appreciate the talent around today and not fall into the "the old days were the best days" fallacy.

    Although I do think that Mike Bossy would be tremendous in today's game, and I like that Shore got a nod. :)
     
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    I'm trying to figure out where comments like this come from, and the only thing I can think of is "Ignorance is bliss." History lesson time: look at Lidstrom's three Norris seasons. Look who the runners-up were in each year: Ray Bourque in 2001, Chris Chelios (who got more first place votes than Nik in 2002) and Al MacInnis in 2003. Stevens was third in voting in 2001. Not Pronger, Blake, Chara and Niedermayer. Lidstrom beat 40 year olds. Bourque, Chelios and MacInnis weren't Norris finalists at 40-ish because they are three of the 15 best defencemen ever, they were finalists because the elite defencemen today aren't as good as the elite defencemen 15 years ago.

    Adam Oates led the league in assists twice in his late 30s. Ron Francis was a 77-point player at age 40. Joe Sakic was tied for second in league scoring in the last NHL season at age 35! Mario Lemieux put up a 120-point pace in his last somewhat healthy season.

    Your line-up is a joke. How are the three 2003-04 finalists for the Vezina left off? How is Niedermayer left off? How is Sakic left off?

    Andreychuk would score more than Espo? I have the greatest respect for Andreychuk, but if you want to talk about shoddy skaters, there's one of the worst. Espo had better hands than Andreychuk in tight and better goal scoring instincts, not to mention better playmaking abilities.

    Watch Bobby Orr play in the 1976 Canada Cup. Watch Espo carry Canada on his back at the 1972 Summit Series. Then you'll see what those "ghosts of yesteryear" were capable of.
     
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    Bossy - Gretzky - Richard
    Howe - Lemieux - Esposito
    Hull - Beliveau - Mikita
    Messier - Trottier - Lafleur

    Orr - Bourque
    Harvey - Shore
    Kelly - Potvin

    Hasek
    Roy
    Sawchuk
     
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    Even if your argument were valid...you still made a pretty weak team compared to what the current all-world team SHOULD look like. Your bottom 6 forwards are a bit of a joke, wouldn't you say?
     
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    Forward lines

    Anatoli Firsov - Wayne Gretzky - Mike Bossy
    Valeri Kharlamov - Mario Lemieux - Guy Lafleur
    Vladimir Krutov - Jean Beliveau - Sergei Makarov
    Bobby Hull - Gilbert Perreault - Vladimir Martinec

    Defense pairings

    Orr - Savard
    Robinson - Bourque
    Salming - Potvin
    Vasiliev - Fetisov

    Goalie(s)

    Hasek and/or Roy

    This team would kick some serious butt!
     
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    Mario Lemieux- Wayne Gretzky- Jari Kurri
    Bobby Hull- Bryan Trottier- Mike Bossy
    Ted Lindsay- Bobby Clarke- Gordie Howe
    Bob Gainey- Guy Carbonneau- Jere Lehtinen

    Bobby Orr- Denis Potvin
    Doug Harvey- Al MacInnis
    Rod Langway- Scott Stevens

    Roy
    Brodeur

    My team isn't the best possible players or anything, and there's some glaring omissions. It's just a team I'd like to see iced, with a few shutdown players instead of all-timers. I don't want guys like Lafleur or Richard or Dionne manning the third or fourth line so ''inferior'' scorers (plus Howe) are on in lieu of them.

    I like the idea of Mario and Wayne playing together for, like, obvious reasons, and Kurri there to keep up with them offensively AND cover their asses! Second line is basic stuff... third line is skilled guys with defensive abilities and/or insane grit, they'll be accepting a decreased role (HOPEFULLY they'll accept it!) but still chip in some points... fourth line, well, nobody's scoring against us while they're on the ice.

    Defensively, pretty simple. I want the second best hockey player ever on there, duh. I want Potvin on there because he could do it all. I want Harvey because... well, why not, he was a thinking man's defenseman and he'd have plenty of time to think and plenty of moves to make on THIS team. I want Stevens on there to keep people honest (hopefully he won't mind less icetime). I wanted a huge shot and MacInnis is good-enough all-around to not look out of place anyway. I want Langway because he's airtight and money in his own zone, no need for any more offense than we have.
     
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    An unstoppable dream line...

    Leclair Lindros Neely

    Imagine The Legion of Doom minus Renberg, add Cam Neely, everyone in their primes and completely healthy.
     
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    Orr Harvey
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  22. KOVALEV10*

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    Forwards:
    Centers:
    Lemieux
    Gretzky
    Beliveau
    Yzerman

    Left Wingers:
    Bobby Hull
    Frank Mahovlich
    Cam Neely
    Luc Robitaille

    Right Wingers:
    Maurice Richard
    Guy Lafleur
    Gordie Howe
    Mike Bossy

    Defenseman:
    Bobby Orr
    Ray Bourque
    Doug Harvey
    Eddie Shore
    Larry Robinson
    Denis Potvin

    Goalies:
    Hasek
    Roy
    Sawchuk

    Coach:
    Scotty Bowman
    Toe Blake
     
  23. lemieux32*

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    If you are creating the best team to win then I have two comments:

    1) If you put Kurri with Gretzky then you take him over Jagr. Just look at the stats.

    2) If you are using Krutov and Makarov then you have to put Larionov with them for the great KLM line.
     
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    1) If you put Kurri with Gretzky then you take him over Jagr. Just look at the stats.


    I put Kurri on my first line with Wayne and Mario because Jagr isn't needed. I wanted someone that could, y'know, cover Wayne and Mario's butts! He'd bury pretty much every pass he got anyway, no need for Jagr.
     
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    I'm a Bobby Orr and Ray Bourque but right now the best defenseman in the league has to be Lidstrom.
     
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