All-Time Draft #5

[EagleBelfour]

Keep up the good work everyone! I'M a big fan of hockey history, and these kind of draft! It's also a good read with your players bios.

Hope to be part of the show in the All-Time Draft #6 !

 

[Spitfire11]

murray...check your mailbox

looking to trade pick 37, I'll wait an hour or two then just pick to keep the draft moving.

 

[pappyline]

murray...check your mailbox

looking to trade pick 37, I'll wait an hour or two then just pick to keep the draft moving.

checked & not interested.

 

[Spitfire11]

C Joe Sakic

 

[Leaf Lander]

C Joe Sakic

Good pick I had him last time

lets trade lidstrom for sakic ?


ok jk


I am on the clock

My pick will occur in 10 min

 

[Spitfire11]

Good pick I had him last time

lets trade lidstrom for sakic ?

ok jk

My all-time favourite player and lifelong Wing for that Avalanche scrub, sign me up

 

[Leaf Lander]

The Toronto Maple Leafs select Chris Chelios D

Has been one of the toughest defensemen to beat one-on-one throughout his career. Always plays a smart game in the defensive zone and is terrific in transition. Is still nasty but has learned to pick his spots and for the majority of his career he logged huge amounts of ice time.The more chris played the better he played. He is one of the leagues best defenceman one on one.He is indispensible on the ice. TSN.ca

Chelios and Ray Bourque were the premiere d-man of there time patroling the blueline. They long jockeyed as the dominant all-round defensman of there era. If Borq made beating boston tough then chelios made surviving a date with chicago an ordeal.

Chelios has great instincts, strong skating, and top drawer offensive gifts meant he could had been a Norris Trophy candidate without repeatedly bloodying his nose in the first half of his now 3 decade spanning career. Top 50

He has won 3 Norris Trophys

His stint with the Chicago Blackhawks solidified Chris Chelios' standing as the most menacing skilled defenseman in the league. He was known as a player who would do anything to win, regarded by most as a player other NHL players hated playing against. Even as Chris amassed over 2,000 penalty minutes, his offensive numbers were never too far behind his gritty play. Chelios would win two more Norris trophies during while in Chicago and led the team in points during the 1995-96 season. His time in Chicago came to an end at the 1999 NHL trade deadline when he was dealt to the Detroit Red Wings for defenceman Anders Ericksson and two first-round draft picks (1999 and 2001). The move to Detroit did not yield a Red Wing three-peat, but Chelios helped Detroit win the Stanley Cup in 2002 and is back with the Wings for the 2005-06 season.

Traded to chicago for hall of famer denis savard who was on the back side of his career despite being the same age as chelios.Chris's career continue to advance and he entrenched himself as the most skilled and menacing players of his era.

He has won 2 cups with montreal and detroit. Silver Medal at the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City, Utah.

Silver Medal at the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City, Utah.

A tireless worker and one of the most fit players in the NHL, Chelios began his 22nd NHL season in 2005-06 Chelios reached the 900-point plateau during the 02-03 regular seson, was named to his second World Cup team in the summer of 2004


Obviously he has great skills but he will back stab you any time he gets a chance - randy burridge

Alot of people fight for the puck Chris plays like he is fighting for his life - Bill Clement.

Telling chris he cant play is like cutting off his arm- Luc Robitaille

Chelios is the best defenceman in the league. He gives you no gap between himself and the oncoming forward.When you're going forward, most defenseman go back, but it seems like h's going forward and back at the same time. There's always pressure on the puck- Paul Kariya

Reg Season Totals 1471 181 742 923 +328 2801
NHL Playoff Totals 222 30 107 137 +44 378

NHL All-Rookie Team (1985) NHL First All-Star Team (1989, 1993,95,96,02)
James Norris Memorial Trophy (89,93,96) NHL Second All-Star Team (1991, 1997)
Bud Light Plus/Minus Award (02) Canada Cup All-Star Team (1991)
World Cup All-Star Team (96)
Played in NHL All-Star Game (85,90,91,92,93,94,96,97,98,00,02)

 

[pappyline]

I think if Hull won more, I think he'd be higher in a lot of all-time ratings. The reason Richard and Beliveau are so high isn't because they played for Montreal, it's because they won. Richard is considered by many to be the best clutch player ever. A player with just a Hart Trophy wouldn't be in the top five of so many lists if he wasn't so good in the clutch. Jean Beliveau won 10 Stanley Cups, a Conn Smythe, and scored a point-per-game in the playoffs at age 40.

Would Hull be No. 5 if he had the playoff track record of Beliveau or Richard? It's hard to say, but I think he'd appear in a lot more top 5 lists if he had more than one Cup. (And he was on some very strong Chicago teams). I think the absence of Cup rings also hurts Mikita's place among the game's greats.

Absence of cup rings doesn't quite explain it. Orr & Lemieux only won 2 despite playing on strong teams. Eddie shore only won a couple, Bourque won one. Clarke won 2. 20 % of the players on the HN 100 are Canadiens, 30% of the tob 20 are MTL Canadians. Granted they have a long tradition and have been very successful. The Leafs have 17% of the players and though they had great teams they did not have a great number of individual stars,

Also, the Leafs & canadiens were on TV all the time so people became more familiar with their players. Also most fans were Canadian (I am a Canuck myself even though I now live in Massachusetts) and tended to support the Leafs & Canadiens.

I am really curious as to who compiled this list and their background. Does anybpdy know? This list has become gospel which is scarey.

 

[BM67]

Absence of cup rings doesn't quite explain it. Orr & Lemieux only won 2 despite playing on strong teams. Eddie shore only won a couple, Bourque won one. Clarke won 2. 20 % of the players on the HN 100 are Canadiens, 30% of the tob 20 are MTL Canadians. Granted they have a long tradition and have been very successful. The Leafs have 17% of the players and though they had great teams they did not have a great number of individual stars,

Also, the Leafs & canadiens were on TV all the time so people became more familiar with their players. Also most fans were Canadian (I am a Canuck myself even though I now live in Massachusetts) and tended to support the Leafs & Canadiens.

I am really curious as to who compiled this list and their background. Does anybpdy know? This list has become gospel which is scarey.

Keith Allen, GM Philadelphia Flyers
Kevin Allen, Writer USA Today
Al Arbour, Coach New York Islanders
Scotty Bowman, Coach Detroit Red Wings
Brian Burke, Vice-president NHL
Ken Campbell, Senior Editor THN
Ron Caron, Senior Advisor St. Louis Blues
Don Cherry, Broadcaster HNIC
John Davidson, Broadcaster MSG Network
Steve Dryden, Editor-in-chief THN
Bob Duff, Writer-historian Windsor Star
Eric Duhatschek, Writer Calgary Herald
Milt Dunnell, Writer Toronto Star
Mike Emrick, Broadcaster SportsChannel
Jack Falla, Writer THN
Stan Fischler, Columnist THN
Bill Fitsell, Historian Kingston, Ont.
Ernie Fitzsimmons, Historian Fredricton, N.B.
Emile Francis, GM New York Rangers
Tony Gallagher, Writer Vancouver Province
Jim Gregory, Vice-president NHL
Charlie Haplin, Editor THN
Harry Howell, Player New York Rangers
Dick Irvin, Broadcaster HNIC
Jim Kelley, Writer Buffalo News
Claude Larochelle, Writer Le Soleil de Quebec
Jim Matheson, Writer Edmonton Journal
Brian McFarlane, Historian Toronto
Ken McKenzie, Co-founder THN
Bob McKenzie, Associate Editor THN
Max McNab, GM Washington Capitals
Howie Meeker, Player-coach Toronto Maple Leafs
Scotty Morrison, Chairman Hall of Fame
Harry Neale, Broadcaster HNIC
Roger Neilson, Coach Philadelphia Flyers
Brian O'Neill, Vice-president NHL
Frank Orr, Writer Toronto Star
Yvon Pedneault, Editor Journal de Montreal
Bud Poile, GM Vancouver Canucks
Sam Pollock, GM Montreal Canadiens
Marcel Pronovost, Player Detroit Red Wings
Billy Reay, Player-coach Chicago Black Hawks
Fran Rosa, Writer Boston Globe
Glen Sather, GM-president Edmonton Oilers
Milt Schmidt, Player-coach-GM Boston Bruins
Frank Selke, GM-President Oakland Seals
Harry Sinden, GM-president Boston Bruins
Mike Smith, Associate GM Toronto Maple Leafs
Neil Smith, GM-President New York Rangers
Red Storey, Referee NHL

 

[reckoning]

Stan Fischler, Columnist THN

 

[pappyline]

Keith Allen, GM Philadelphia Flyers
Kevin Allen, Writer USA Today
Al Arbour, Coach New York Islanders
Scotty Bowman, Coach Detroit Red Wings
Brian Burke, Vice-president NHL
Ken Campbell, Senior Editor THN
Ron Caron, Senior Advisor St. Louis Blues
Don Cherry, Broadcaster HNIC
John Davidson, Broadcaster MSG Network
Steve Dryden, Editor-in-chief THN
Bob Duff, Writer-historian Windsor Star
Eric Duhatschek, Writer Calgary Herald
Milt Dunnell, Writer Toronto Star
Mike Emrick, Broadcaster SportsChannel
Jack Falla, Writer THN
Stan Fischler, Columnist THN
Bill Fitsell, Historian Kingston, Ont.
Ernie Fitzsimmons, Historian Fredricton, N.B.
Emile Francis, GM New York Rangers
Tony Gallagher, Writer Vancouver Province
Jim Gregory, Vice-president NHL
Charlie Haplin, Editor THN
Harry Howell, Player New York Rangers
Dick Irvin, Broadcaster HNIC
Jim Kelley, Writer Buffalo News
Claude Larochelle, Writer Le Soleil de Quebec
Jim Matheson, Writer Edmonton Journal
Brian McFarlane, Historian Toronto
Ken McKenzie, Co-founder THN
Bob McKenzie, Associate Editor THN
Max McNab, GM Washington Capitals
Howie Meeker, Player-coach Toronto Maple Leafs
Scotty Morrison, Chairman Hall of Fame
Harry Neale, Broadcaster HNIC
Roger Neilson, Coach Philadelphia Flyers
Brian O'Neill, Vice-president NHL
Frank Orr, Writer Toronto Star
Yvon Pedneault, Editor Journal de Montreal
Bud Poile, GM Vancouver Canucks
Sam Pollock, GM Montreal Canadiens
Marcel Pronovost, Player Detroit Red Wings
Billy Reay, Player-coach Chicago Black Hawks
Fran Rosa, Writer Boston Globe
Glen Sather, GM-president Edmonton Oilers
Milt Schmidt, Player-coach-GM Boston Bruins
Frank Selke, GM-President Oakland Seals
Harry Sinden, GM-president Boston Bruins
Mike Smith, Associate GM Toronto Maple Leafs
Neil Smith, GM-President New York Rangers
Red Storey, Referee NHL

thanks Bm67. This about what I expected to see. About 10% of these people would have an obvious Canadien bias. Another 7% have an obvious Leaf bias. I would also say that at least 80% are Canadian and were weaned on Canadiens/Leafs TV broadcasts (So was I, but still became a Hawks fan. But most peiple I know where Leaf fAns). There is nothing objective about this list, I could pull together a different group of so called experts and the list could be quite different.

There is no way Richard & Beliveau were better than Hull. Contemporary's in the 60's actually described Hull as being a combination of Howe & richard's best features.

 

[Leaf Lander]

it is a list its a guide its not a bible

 

[raleh]

it is a list its a guide its not a bible

quoted for emphasis

 

[pappyline]

quoted for emphasis

Agree, but unfortunatley, it has become a bible.

 

[raleh]

It has, and I'm sure that everybody here can think of at least one player that they would love to see higher. I, for one, hate seeing Gretzky ahead of Orr on any list. Unfortunately, it's something I will probably always have to deal with haha.

 

[raleh]

HA! here I am, the first saturday after classes have ended, and I'm sitting at my computer waiting to make my selection in a fantasy all time hockey draft!

 

[Leaf Lander]

HA! here I am, the first saturday after classes have ended, and I'm sitting at my computer waiting to make my selection in a fantasy all time hockey draft!

loser jk

 

[#66]

thanks Bm67. This about what I expected to see. About 10% of these people would have an obvious Canadien bias. Another 7% have an obvious Leaf bias. I would also say that at least 80% are Canadian and were weaned on Canadiens/Leafs TV broadcasts (So was I, but still became a Hawks fan. But most peiple I know where Leaf fAns). There is nothing objective about this list, I could pull together a different group of so called experts and the list could be quite different.

There is no way Richard & Beliveau were better than Hull. Contemporary's in the 60's actually described Hull as being a combination of Howe & richard's best features.

I really think you've got something here. Just to take it to other players, there is a classic Hawks defenseman (name withheld for gaming purposes) that is just unreal. If you go back and watch the classic games, he was the spitting image of Potvin and he's never mentioned in the same breath of the all time greats.

 

[GKJ]

The Hartford Whalers select Marcel Dionnne

 

[Leaf Lander]

I really think you've got something here. Just to take it to other players, there is a classic Hawks defenseman (name withheld for gaming purposes) that is just unreal. If you go back and watch the classic games, he was the spitting image of Potvin and he's never mentioned in the same breath of the all time greats.

who is that?

i felt alot fo leaf players werent as high as they should been

tim horton for example.

alot of leaf players font make it to the hall of fame
almost every have does for some reason

 

[hockeyfan125]

Man this draft is awesome, I have been watching a few old VHS tapes the other day of some classic games I have.

I still find it really hard to compare some players versus nowadays. I realize that the generational players like Orr, Espositio, etc. would have no problems fitting in, but some lesser guys I can see struggling nowadays.

 

[Evil Sather]

I just got back from the casino, haven't slept all night...

pick forthcoming

I really wanted a certain player, but he just makes no sense for my team at the moment, despite the great value...

The Rangers grab G Bernie Parent while there are still top tier goalies available...

 

[BM67]

I just can't ignore C Stan Mikita.

How's that for a center corps?

Stan went at 17 to pnep.

 

[Hockey Outsider]

The Montreal Canadiens are pleased to select the best defenseman of the 1960's, Pierre Pilote.

Pilote is one of the best and most complete defensemen in NHL history. He won the Norris trophy three years in a row and was an all-star seven consecutive seasons.

Pilote was a dominat offensive defensemen. He led blueliners in goals twice, assists six times and points five times. He was mean, physical player who led the league in penalty minutes once and was known for fearless shot-blocking.

Pilote was also a great playoff performer. He won the Conn Smythe in 1961 and led the league in playoff scoring as he helped Chicago win the Stanley Cup.

"Pilote also became renowned as a tough guy who should be avoided, a reputation enhanced when he knocked both Henri and Maurice Richard out cold during the same mix-up. Pilote played the next 376 games in a row with Chicago, including five seasons without missing a game. His "iron man" streak finally ended when he dislocated a shoulder during the 1961-62 season. Pilote was a superb defenseman at both ends of the ice. In his own zone he blocked shots fearlessly, but he also wasn't afraid to join the rush and he was a first-rate passer. He teamed with Elmer "Moose" Vasko on the blue line, and together they formed the best duo in the league in the late 1950s." -- Hockey Hall of Fame

 

[Murphy]

Grrrrrrr Outsider,

Nice Pick, I was waiting for him 2 picks away from you......