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- Feb 28, 2007
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I think we make the playoffs next year and get a pretty good player through the draft this year
It's so odd, I feel like I'm in bizzaro land, or simple have come face to face with the idea that I don't fit in here.
So much talk about firing PD like it's the obvious solution. Personally, I LIKE the moves he's made.
Smith has a fine contract for what he provides. This season is an outlier even more than his 27 goals. EVERYONE has been trash this year.
I also didn't really want to commit long term big money to Turris as I felt he was a little lacking to be a guy we pin our hopes on for the foreseeable future.
I'm stoked on Duchene. He's the kind of player we need on this team. The way he plays the game is exactly how I want our top centre to play. Skills, Strength and Speed. And he's young.
I liked our depth signings last year, love Pyatt, and have enjoyed what Thompson brings. I don't care much for Dumont, but then again he costs us nothing, and gave us a body so we could leave our youngsters to continue to develop.
I like Brass a lot more than I ever did Zib, and feel the same way about committing big long term money to him as I did Turris.
I like P9, though his contract is large and long I did enjoy everything we got rid of as well as the player we got though.
I feel like Andy deserved his extension, based on his past play. You don't play wait and see with the best goalie we've ever had, who played through what he did last year, and backstopped our team during our playoff run; you just don't if you want to continue being the well regarded franchise that we are.
I enjoyed what Burrows brought last season and understand that the two years was the price for him (not Vancouver) to come here. He hasn't stood out much this year, but he's not hurting the team and is far down the list of problems this year.
I think GB is a good coach, who is looking for ways to spark the team. I'm willing to be patient with him and see what he's able to do in terms of change and growth. Those teams who enjoy the payoffs, are generally those who endured the patience.
Sure he's a bit of a nerd, but I see a man who is passionate, positive, and excited about his job, and is committed to the betterment of the team. he also clearly has a vision, and the stones to see it through. He's definitely a bit goofy, but I'm into shaming people for being exuberant about their work/passion.
I guess I'll be the crazy dissenting voice on the subject just so the rest of you will have to put * when pretending that EVERYONE wants the GM fired.
Same here, it kinda blows my mind that people keep blaming Dorion. I don't know if it's some weird coping mechanism, that some people refuse to blame the stars on the team, but reversing all his trades would NOT all the problems we have right now. Like seriously. Use your head people.
A thorough postmortem will need to be done. We have the team, the assets and the prospects to be a borderline contender. At some point in the coming weeks if we don't right the ship we need to dump the dead weight and start grooming the young players for next year.
you're the same person who thinks that dorion has won all his moves.
like seriously we're a bottom five team. and you're still hyping up dorion? trump-esque cultism
I'm not hyping up Dorion. All I'm saying is that he is not the reason for our current streak. Nobody has come up with a convincing argument otherwise. You need to take your rose colored glasses off and starting laying the blame on the players. It's easy to blame the goofly execs, but at the end of the day, the fault lays on the ones playing hockey. And the fact is that the players are not getting it done. They got it done last year. They are not getting it done this year. Jonathan Dahlen would not make a difference, Browers would not make a difference. Having an extra pick here and there would not make a difference.
Dorion or Boucher, I keep confusing who is the GM of this team?The players aren't getting it done because this is a bottom ten team (dorion made sure of it) who has had the good fortune of having a generational talent.
There should be surprise that the sens are struggling like this with Karlsson not being himself.
Dorion constructed a **** roster and a **** roster means **** results.
The players aren't getting it done because this is a bottom ten team (dorion made sure of it) who has had the good fortune of having a generational talent.
There should be surprise that the sens are struggling like this with Karlsson not being himself.
Dorion constructed a **** roster and a **** roster means **** results.
HOLY SHIT DUDE. You keep doing this. People tell you and you won't accept it despite the obvious sitting directly in front of you and dropping kicking you in the face while you DEMAND an answer despite it being hashed out over and over and over. Most of us think Zibanejad is better than Brassard. And even more think Turris and Duchene are a wash, but Turris had obvious chemistry here. The numbers all support these views.Please tell me which trades Dorion has made, if reversed, would make us a much better team right now.
Please tell me which trades Dorion has made, if reversed, would make us a much better team right now.
Pretty much all of them.
Please tell me which trades Dorion has made, if reversed, would make us a much better team right now.
Ceci for Hall wasn't on the table. And it was Ceci + for Drouin.Pierre Dorion's biggest mistakes were the moves he DIDN'T make.
1) Ceci for Drouin
2) Ceci for Taylor Hall
3) Ceci for a bag of pucks
Even if, as some say, "it was never Ceci for Drouin straight up", we could have added Dahlen or a draft pick to sweeten up a deal. But, he didn't. This team can't score and this team can't defend. I would take Thomas Chabot in my lineup over Cody Ceci 8 days a week.
It's so odd, I feel like I'm in bizzaro land, or simple have come face to face with the idea that I don't fit in here.
So much talk about firing PD like it's the obvious solution. Personally, I LIKE the moves he's made.
Smith has a fine contract for what he provides. This season is an outlier even more than his 27 goals. EVERYONE has been trash this year.
I also didn't really want to commit long term big money to Turris as I felt he was a little lacking to be a guy we pin our hopes on for the foreseeable future.
I'm stoked on Duchene. He's the kind of player we need on this team. The way he plays the game is exactly how I want our top centre to play. Skills, Strength and Speed. And he's young.
I liked our depth signings last year, love Pyatt, and have enjoyed what Thompson brings. I don't care much for Dumont, but then again he costs us nothing, and gave us a body so we could leave our youngsters to continue to develop.
I like Brass a lot more than I ever did Zib, and feel the same way about committing big long term money to him as I did Turris.
I like P9, though his contract is large and long I did enjoy everything we got rid of as well as the player we got though.
I feel like Andy deserved his extension, based on his past play. You don't play wait and see with the best goalie we've ever had, who played through what he did last year, and backstopped our team during our playoff run; you just don't if you want to continue being the well regarded franchise that we are.
I enjoyed what Burrows brought last season and understand that the two years was the price for him (not Vancouver) to come here. He hasn't stood out much this year, but he's not hurting the team and is far down the list of problems this year.
I think GB is a good coach, who is looking for ways to spark the team. I'm willing to be patient with him and see what he's able to do in terms of change and growth. Those teams who enjoy the payoffs, are generally those who endured the patience.
Sure he's a bit of a nerd, but I see a man who is passionate, positive, and excited about his job, and is committed to the betterment of the team. he also clearly has a vision, and the stones to see it through. He's definitely a bit goofy, but I'm into shaming people for being exuberant about their work/passion.
I guess I'll be the crazy dissenting voice on the subject just so the rest of you will have to put * when pretending that EVERYONE wants the GM fired.
I'm not going to say Dorion is a good GM, but it's totally unfair to evaluate him given who his boss is. Don't like the Zibby for Brassard trade? It was done to save money and we even tossed in a pick to cover bonuses.
I'm not going to say Dorion is a good GM, but it's totally unfair to evaluate him given who his boss is. Don't like the Zibby for Brassard trade? It was done to save money and we even tossed in a pick to cover bonuses. We gave away a pick to cover Hammonds salary. We lost Methot because it saved us 4 million bucks a year.
It doesn't matter who we bring in, as long as they are going to be hamstrung by ownership they will be snookered. Every GM makes mistakes, however other teams are willing to pay to rectify them. We aren't even willing to pay the bonuses of players we trade for.
Same here, it kinda blows my mind that people keep blaming Dorion. I don't know if it's some weird coping mechanism, that some people refuse to blame the stars on the team, but reversing all his trades would NOT all the problems we have right now. Like seriously. Use your head people.
A thorough postmortem will need to be done. We have the team, the assets and the prospects to be a borderline contender. At some point in the coming weeks if we don't right the ship we need to dump the dead weight and start grooming the young players for next year.
I am sorry but the way to evaluate trades is not only if it makes the team better immediately. This argument is ridiculous. Every deal made should be value based with assets in and assets out while evaluating the players contributions matters it's not the only parameter. From a value perspective he has lost every trade he has made. Every single one. Burrows role can be done by 95% of nhlers for cheaper and giving up no assets. This team's been run into the ground by a guy who never played hockey even at a Jr level that is a doormat to the coach and crazy owner and now the sens are in a position that is impossible to win in. Can't do a quick rebuild and are a terrible team.Well, the Burrows one wouldn’t make us better because Dahlen wouldn’t help us at the moment. Although it would help to not have Burrows for the next couple of years. Frees up money and a roster spot, so that’s one I’d like to reverse. God that 2 year extension pisses me off.
Turris for Duchene is obvious because we’ve been awful since Duchene got here. Not his fault mind you, can’t put all the blame on him for our struggles, but like everyone else, he needs to be better.
You could argue we’d be better with Zibby over Brassard, but I guess it’s close.
I’ll give him credit for the Condon, Stalberg and Wingels trades because they helped us last year and we didn’t give up much. That’s not helping us right now though.
The contract extensions to Burrows, Andy and Condon aren’t looking so great at the moment.
There were some moves made before Dorion took over that aren’t helping us, so he can’t be blamed for those, but I haven’t loved a lot of the moves so far. We’re in this win now mode, but we’re not good enough to win now. We should rebuild, but we’ve traded away so many picks recently and we have a bunch of contracts that are hard to move. It’s a mess.