Proposal: All Bruins Trade Proposals VI

[LSCII]

some of thats games played right?

The most underrated stat in all of professional sports is games played. Can't impact the game if you can't get out on the ice. So sure. Some of that is games played. Hall misses a ton of time on a regular basis, and that's a factor you need to consider if giving him a long term contract. Ironically, it's the most consistent part of his game too...

 

[LouJersey]

I think you are trolling me lou

hall has 206 goals and 326 assists for 532 points in 588 games
skinner has in 100 extra games has 255 goals and only 459 points

halls ppg is .904
skinner is .666

hall has in fact had 4 seasons where he was well above a point per game... so I have no idea where this bizzare idea he has 1 great season comes from.

are you saying his injury prone? I suppose that wouldnt be a bizzare argument.

after hall left that zoo in Edmonton he has played 207 games and has 204 points

he is 17th in ppg in the entire nhl in that time period... who else is on this list?

connor McDavid... yeah that guy
nikita kucherov... pretty good
brad marchand... we like him
Evgeni malkin... theres a pattern developing
Sidney crosby
Patrick kane… yeah hes ok
steven stamkos
leon draisatl
david pastrnak
aleksander Barkov... surprised hes here???
jack Eichel
artemi panarin… a comparable for sure
alex ovechkin
mark scheifld
johnny gaudreau
blake wheeler
and then... mr hall

thats the company that has produced at the same rate as hall over the last 4 seasons...

any of those other guys play with as crappy as linemates as hall had to suffer?

skinner? really lou? skinner?

I think you are trolling me lou

hall has 206 goals and 326 assists for 532 points in 588 games
skinner has in 100 extra games has 255 goals and only 459 points

halls ppg is .904
skinner is .666

hall has in fact had 4 seasons where he was well above a point per game... so I have no idea where this bizzare idea he has 1 great season comes from.

are you saying his injury prone? I suppose that wouldnt be a bizzare argument.

after hall left that zoo in Edmonton he has played 207 games and has 204 points

he is 17th in ppg in the entire nhl in that time period... who else is on this list?

connor McDavid... yeah that guy
nikita kucherov... pretty good
brad marchand... we like him
Evgeni malkin... theres a pattern developing
Sidney crosby
Patrick kane… yeah hes ok
steven stamkos
leon draisatl
david pastrnak
aleksander Barkov... surprised hes here???
jack Eichel
artemi panarin… a comparable for sure
alex ovechkin
mark scheifld
johnny gaudreau
blake wheeler
and then... mr hall

thats the company that has produced at the same rate as hall over the last 4 seasons...

any of those other guys play with as crappy as linemates as hall had to suffer?

skinner? really lou? skinner?

How many 30 goals seasons does Skinner have? 40 goal?

Who were his line mates again? I said Skinner is a better goal scorer and I stand by that. I honestly don't care much about PPG when the guy played one complete season out of ten.

Again with the excuses for Hall, but rip on the other guys for not being winners, when Hall has two play-off goals in ten years of hockey, but he shares no blame I'm sure.

 

[LouJersey]

ive always said a team can have one crappy attitude guy on a team if that guy is a brake glass and create offense type of guy. I think i gave kessel his props in Pittsburgh and agreed that if you bury a guy like that on the depth chart he can help you win

I know I have thrown props to peter klima many times

and I even said I thought vladamir rudzicka could have been good for us...

where there becomes a problem is when this type of player is... grown deep in the roots... gets into the leadership mix... becomes an example to follow for his teammates

hall definitely has red flags

andrew ference who i respect as much as any hockey player ever... went to Edmonton and immediately feuded with hall

nail yakupov when he left Edmonton was in tears over how a hall led locker room ostrocised him

there were some rumors that the way Edmonton was running things... they were basically telling everyone come party... recreate the boys on the bus. when Edmonton was recruiting Justin Schultz they sent hall to visit him and tell him come to Edmonton it will be a party

the reason I overlook these warning signs... I heard this kid speak. I heard him speak a lot. I heard him do a lot of interviews.

hes well spoken. he knows hockey history. he cares about hockey history

thornton/kessel/seguin joined a proud organization and said sorry not for me... I dont want to work hard and live up to expectations. they could have ruined everything we had if we didnt ice them

hall was taken into a couple pure crap organizations... hes never ever had any leadership around him to take his hand and guide him. he was told its ok to party. Edmonton cut ference off at the knees the second he began to feud with hall.

id like to see hall get a chance to get guidance from chara and Bergeron before I write this kid off... his memorial cup performance was legendary when he was on a good team with leadership to guide him

Who do you think John Moore was talking about when he said "There aren't any dickheads here" when talking about the Bruins room.

 

[maxl7]

id like to see hall get a chance to get guidance from chara and Bergeron before I write this kid off... his memorial cup performance was legendary when he was on a good team with leadership to guide him

To put this another way, if you *only* acquire high "character", good "leadership" players than that kind of counterintuitively diminishes the value of leadership itself. What's the point of emphasizing those intangibles if you're not going to put their apparent advantage to use and supplement your leaders with talented players who might benefit from it?

To exaggerate it a bit: A room full of guys who are good in the room but bad on the ice isn't gonna win you many games and that losing is going to take it's toll on your culture.

This is probably controversial around these parts but I firmly believe that winning breeds culture, not the other way around.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

How many 30 goals seasons does Skinner have? 40 goal?

Who were his line mates again? I said Skinner is a better goal scorer and I stand by that. I honestly don't care much about PPG when the guy played one complete season out of ten.

Again with the excuses for Hall, but rip on the other guys for not being winners, when Hall has two play-off goals in ten years of hockey, but he shares no blame I'm sure.

dave kingman was a better home run hitter than ozzie smith... but theres only 1 of those guys I wanted playing on my world championship team

if we trade for hall... I think he ends up playing with either pastrnak or Bergeron. I would catagorize both those guys as shoot first.

being a playmaker winger isnt the worst thing in the world

Toronto has one… they paid him 11 mill
ny has one... they paid him 11 mill

hall had 6 points in 5 playoff games on an underachieving team right? he had 2 goals in 5 games? is that right? that works out to around a 32 goal pace?

I thought you were building a case against him... why are you telling me about the great playoff performance he had? isnt that my argument?

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Who do you think John Moore was talking about when he said "There aren't any ********s here" when talking about the Bruins room.

you might have a point there... the oiler culture did breed alot of &&^%$$ players

i wouldnt be trading for hall if i didnt get a chance to talk to him... and i wouldnt be giving him no iron clad no movement clause.

i still go back to my first impressions of this kid... i didnt talk to him myself but i heard him do the talk show circuit. he opened himself up to call ins from the fans. he did public appearances where he blew people away. he jumped right in and tried to grab a leadership role on the team.

then... s&&$$ happened and you got to live in this edmonton market to really understand

i found it funny when the new gm last year said theres something in the water here and immediately everyone threw their backs out of joint

i still find it funny what this organization did to sheldon souray

how guys like mikael nylander and dany heatley almost come here... call around to check it out and bail

edmonton hasnt landed a single quality vet ufa in the past decade without overpaying by at least double because no one wants a piece of this graveyard

can holland/tippet work with mcdavid and drai to turn it around? my gut says... no... but i admire them for trying

in the meantime i wont blame any individuals for turning bad in edmonton... the team is toxic

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

You have a fair concern. Im saying hes a product of a bad enviroment and could rebound. I saw dom post a concern he might be poisoned

These things can go either way

I could find a list of 50 guys who joined a winning team and blossomed. Im sure someone can find another list of 50 guys that crap the bed

Its such a homerun gamble though if it pays off...

We were after tavares... we were after kovalchuk... i think we are trying to gamble on something. To me, hall isa better gamble then those guys were

how is Hall a better gamble than Tavares? Tavares is the more productive player over their careers, and scores more goals. He also would give us the perfect bridge first line C for when Bergeron or Krejci really start to break down. He's also more consistent than Hall.

I really don't see why you're so positive about Hall when it's looking more & more like his MVP year was an outlier season.

 

[LouJersey]

dave kingman was a better home run hitter than ozzie smith... but theres only 1 of those guys I wanted playing on my world championship team

if we trade for hall... I think he ends up playing with either pastrnak or Bergeron. I would catagorize both those guys as shoot first.

being a playmaker winger isnt the worst thing in the world

Toronto has one… they paid him 11 mill
ny has one... they paid him 11 mill

hall had 6 points in 5 playoff games on an underachieving team right? he had 2 goals in 5 games? is that right? that works out to around a 32 goal pace?

I thought you were building a case against him... why are you telling me about the great playoff performance he had? isnt that my argument?

Did you watch those play-offs? He was hardly great.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Did you watch those play-offs? He was hardly great.

I think his team got overwhelmed... he was 100% the focus of their game plan to shut him down right?

I decided to do a little more research...

devils scored a total of 12 goals in those 5 games against a powerhouse tampa bay team...

hall was one of only 2 devil players with more than a single goal {blake coleman being the other for those who like him }

hall was only a -1 while his linemates hischier and oalmieri were both -4

hall had double the points of any other devil except pp specialist will butcher.
both halls goals came at even strength. the team managed only 8 es goals in the entire 5 games

what did you expect him to do?

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

how is Hall a better gamble than Tavares? Tavares is the more productive player over their careers, and scores more goals. He also would give us the perfect bridge first line C for when Bergeron or Krejci really start to break down. He's also more consistent than Hall.

I really don't see why you're so positive about Hall when it's looking more & more like his MVP year was an outlier season.

well... when is ay that... its subjective. I did say better gamble

I guess what I meant is... how it fits the team? could Tavares as a captain and franchise player in ny just come in and adapt a second fiddle role on the bruins? and was he going to come here if he wasnt 'promised' marchand to play with?

I wasnt in the room... I dont know anything for a fact... but I was always very shocked we were in the running for Tavares. I know what the other teams were promising him... remember Tavares did the dog and pony show. everyone knew

for boston to be still in the final 5... we were supposed to be rolling out the red carpet

im just spitballing… but it was a concern to me

with hall... I lay my cards on the table. I tell him we are primed to win. he would fit in short term as the second line winger. he will get either Bergeron or krejci to play with this year assuming both are healthy... and next year with the cap hit then... he will be given a chance to lead a line himself.

tell him... the current leadership is old and will be gone in 3-4-5 years time... he will have a chance to grow into the new leadership at that point.

but for now... he can forget all the crap in Edmonton and jersey and just get a bit lost on a deep deep team... just go out play hockey and have fun.

im obviously looking at it from a sunny side up perspective... but for a league mvp hart trophy guy, I back the cart up. this guy tips the scales. his injury history and his cap ask are my 2 reservations that make me hesitate. in terms of talent its a no brainer

 

[DominicT]

you might have a point there... the oiler culture did breed alot of &&^%$$ players

i wouldnt be trading for hall if i didnt get a chance to talk to him... and i wouldnt be giving him no iron clad no movement clause.

i still go back to my first impressions of this kid... i didnt talk to him myself but i heard him do the talk show circuit. he opened himself up to call ins from the fans. he did public appearances where he blew people away. he jumped right in and tried to grab a leadership role on the team.

then... s&&$$ happened and you got to live in this edmonton market to really understand

i found it funny when the new gm last year said theres something in the water here and immediately everyone threw their backs out of joint

i still find it funny what this organization did to sheldon souray

how guys like mikael nylander and dany heatley almost come here... call around to check it out and bail

edmonton hasnt landed a single quality vet ufa in the past decade without overpaying by at least double because no one wants a piece of this graveyard

can holland/tippet work with mcdavid and drai to turn it around? my gut says... no... but i admire them for trying

in the meantime i wont blame any individuals for turning bad in edmonton... the team is toxic

Players are, and have been for years, trained in how to talk to media/do interviews and speak in a public forum. Every single reputable Agent(s) have specialized staff to deal with just that. The NHL itself conducts a week long seminar for players coming into the NHL on how to deal with media etc. Some are obviously better then others.

Want to know what a player is really like? Get them one-on-one off the record. Unfortunately, most of us don't get that opportunity. But an interviews is not the best way to find it. They are well trained on how to react to those interviews.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Players are, and have been for years, trained in how to talk to media/do interviews and speak in a public forum. Every single reputable Agent(s) have specialized staff to deal with just that. The NHL itself conducts a week long seminar for players coming into the NHL on how to deal with media etc. Some are obviously better then others.

Want to know what a player is really like? Get them one-on-one off the record. Unfortunately, most of us don't get that opportunity. But an interviews is not the best way to find it. They are well trained on how to react to those interviews.

true that

but I have heard a lot of guys talk... hall stands out as well above average

maybe I just caught him on his best days?

 

[UncleRico]

What would the line-up be with Hall assuming you don't lose anything of considerable value? Shift DeBrusk over to Krejci's RW? Otherwise you still have that hole on 2nd line RW, and you'd have to shift Bjork over to his off-wing.

Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak
Hall/DeBrusk-Krejci-Heinen
DeBrusk/Hall-Coyle-Bjork
Nordstrom-Kuraly-Wagner

OR

Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak
Hall-Krejci-DeBrusk
Bjork-Coyle-Heinen
Nordstrom-Kuraly-Wagner

I think Hall COULD replace Heinen/DeBrusk on the top PP unit, but it's not what a lot of people think it is. That position is just there to man the front of the net and recover pucks down low. I think Hall is good for puck retrievals, but that's such a waste to acquire a top-line winger with that in consideration. I think it's more likely you'd see the top unit stay the same and then:

Grzelcyk up top, Coyle in the slot, Krejci on the left side, Hall on the right side, DeBrusk in front

Like yeah, sweet, we have a 2nd awesome unit, but the PP should be the least of their concern.

If you are acquiring Hall, current roster players would be moved. We do not have the prospect pool to trade for Hall, as we have one of the worst prospect groups in the NHL right now due to most of our prospects already graduating to the big club.

plenty of other teams can offer better packages of prospects/draft picks.

 

[Absurdity]

Who do you think John Moore was talking about when he said "There aren't any ********s here" when talking about the Bruins room.

Didn't Ference speak out against the Oilers teams he was a part of when he was there?

 

[Blowfish]

If Debrusk is traded for a rental Sweeney should be fired.

Who is recommending Debrusk?

 

[roflstomper]

Hall is a known douche. But I'd be more than comfortable adding him to a locker room that already has Bergeron/Chara/Backes/Marchand etc.

Value wise Hall just isn;t going to work. They'll want a 1st and top prospect plus something else. I can just see Sweeney retching at the thought.

 

[LouJersey]

Didn't Ference speak out against the Oilers teams he was a part of when he was there?

Yes against guys like Hall and look what happened to him. Then a guy like John Moore speaks out. Not good.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

The most underrated stat in all of professional sports is games played. Can't impact the game if you can't get out on the ice. So sure. Some of that is games played. Hall misses a ton of time on a regular basis, and that's a factor you need to consider if giving him a long term contract. Ironically, it's the most consistent part of his game too...

which is why we should have traded Patrice bergeron when he ran into concusion issues... oh wait

sometimes injuries are just part of the game I guess

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

Did you watch those play-offs? He was hardly great.

lou you know I like you... at least I hope you do...

but you clearly have an agenda... I wanted to respond to your post about hall having 2 goals in 10 years of playoffs... damned if I can find it. I wish I knew exactly how you put it

I didnt research before I replied to you

jeff skinner has zero goals in 10 years

it wasnt me that brought up skinner here... it wasnt me that brought up the playoffs... so I think its interesting you are trying to tie hall to skinner in a negative light... and using the fact hall got 6 points in 5 games in his 1 playoff appearance as some sort of proof of your pov

when you convieniently neglect to mention skinner is goose eggs... nothing... nada

anyhow... im not going to continue the hall debate here after this post... I feel I made my argument. its very likely a moot point

I dont see him coming here

he will fetch a good price somewhere... whether it turns out to be a good fit for him or not, only time will tell. personally, id like to see him here. for a SIGNED hall I would pay a high price

its the same as vegas paid for a SIGNED stone

for a NON SIGNED hall id pay a price based on futures... like san jose did for karlsson

neither vegas nor san jose won after those trades... so maybe thats something to think about?

rentals rarely ever pay off.

hossa was rented… didnt pay off. bourque was rented... didnt pay off...

thanks everyone for keeping the debate fun today... I let you all have the last word now

 

[Mainehockey33]

Who is recommending Debrusk?

That was AOF’s original proposal.

 

[DominicT]

Is this important now that Hynes has been fired?



I turn it over to @LSCII . Hi Lonnie

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

That was AOF’s original proposal.

ok I must reply to this

a signed taylor hall
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there was NO ONE saying to trade debrusk for a rental

my op was for a signed hall... I give up debrusk and grzelyck

if you all want to call me insane please at least quote me correctly

 

[Don Cherry]

I've said this before. This is a great team. Why do we have to make trades? Why can't we simply enjoy the players we do have?

 

[Dr Hook]

Yes against guys like Hall and look what happened to him. Then a guy like John Moore speaks out. Not good.

If there is an attitude problem with Hall, and anecdotally it seems there might be, I imagine the Bruins know all about it and are not interested. You could chance getting him in with the room as it stands, but Chara, Bergy, Krejci, Backes etc.- are in the latter stages and won't be around forever. What happens when you have a core player with a problem 'tude signed for big bucks for many years? I did initially like the idea of adding Hall, but the more I hear about problems, the less I think it would be a good idea.

 

[BruinsNetwork]

Restricted Taylor Hall, Unrestricted Taylor Hall, Signed Taylor Hall or Rental Taylor Hall— regardless of your favorite flavor, he’s just not the guy for this team.

Want to shell out similar, high-end assets to acquire a “name brand” player? Go to Anaheim and pick up one slightly-used Rickard Rakell.

It’s about the fit, IMO, not who was selected 1OA or had a MVP season.