Alain Vigneault will be the first coach fired this season

Filthy Dangles

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They can't create offense unless it's off the rush. That's why the team always falters especially in the playoffs.

They can't manufacture goals from offensive zone play and cycle at a high rate like teams that win can
 

TheMule93

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Surprised people want him fired so bad, Rangers are constantly a top offense despite having no superstars. It's impressive.
 

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Rangers had a good year in 2016-2017. I'd say their offense has performed much better than expected and, to my eye, their defense was middle of the pack and they don't exactly have Nashville's top 4 so it's not that surprising. I know some people describe their D as trash, but it's not how I see it, maybe I've caught some good games.

Anyway, the season is really early, so I don't understand this thread.
 

Pavel Buchnevich

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There are no more than 9 forwards I'd dress right now, and we really don't have any stars. We have no offensive depth, and the coach is a moron. Got rid of the best line because they didn't carry the offense for two games. He can never seem to keep any line or pairing together.

The defense can't defend. McDonagh can, no one else can right now, besides Skjei who has started in a slump. He'll get out of it, but thats two guys who can defend on the team. Not enough. Shatty is money on the PP and offensively, but he needs to be heavily sheltered. The rest are young guys trying to break in or trash, not much in between.

Hank has been okay the last few games, but his first two games were Hank of last season. Hard to know what we'll get out of him. Pavelec has been nondescript, which might not be such a bad thing.

So there's no forward depth, the defensemen can't defend, the coach continues to change everything around, and the goaltending is average, at best. Its a bad team, in my opinion. I don't think we'll even contend for a playoff spot. Its early, but I've been saying all offseason that we have a lack of players who can defend (and also with the forwards, they don't defend well either), the goaltending probably won't be very good, and while the offense has some nice pieces, there isn't much org. depth.
 

Peanut

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Reading all the stuff on Twitter he is doing from NYR fans sounds like he does have a chance to be the first one fired.
 

tarheelhockey

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Surprised people want him fired so bad, Rangers are constantly a top offense despite having no superstars. It's impressive.

Coaches always seem to take the fall for a lack of talent on the roster.

Then some flavor of the month replacement comes in, motivates 1-2 months of hard effort because guys don’t want to get traded, and it’s “look at what a bad job the other guy was doing all along.”

Then they come out the next year and fall on their face, and people want the coach gone.

Rinse and repeat.
 

haveandare

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This is the correct answer to this thread.
The team got worse and now suddenly a single player can't play a passable game for 60 minutes? The team getting worse makes every single individual player worse as individuals also?

The team is a bit worse but that does not account for the complete disaster we've seen every night so far.

If you've ever seen a team play at the tail end of their coach's tenure you can likely recognize that its happening right now for NYR.
 

haveandare

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In a league where it's all about matchups they have a severe disadvantage. Only so many points you can squeeze from that roster. I called it before the season started. A lot of people did.
They squeezed 100 with the same roster plus a plodding Derek Stepan and Dan Girardi going out getting shelled in our zone 20 minutes a night. Again, I'll accept that the roster is weaker in some ways and that may be playing a role, but that isn't the core of what this is about if you've watched the team in recent years and are watching them this year.
 

TheKingPin

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They squeezed 100 with the same roster plus a plodding Derek Stepan and Dan Girardi going out getting shelled in our zone 20 minutes a night. Again, I'll accept that the roster is weaker in some ways and that may be playing a role, but that isn't the core of what this is about if you've watched the team in recent years and are watching them this year.

I haven't got a chance to watch them at all this year. I just know they overachieved last year and got worse in the following offseason. I'm sure a different coach would help but there's only so much a coach can do. I'm sure their record will rebound because they are at or just above a bubble team still, not a bottom team.
 

haveandare

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I haven't got a chance to watch them at all this year. I just know they overachieved last year and got worse in the following offseason. I'm sure a different coach would help but there's only so much a coach can do. I'm sure their record will rebound because they are at or just above a bubble team still, not a bottom team.

Imo they're marginally worse in terms of roster change, not nearly enough to warrant the sort of garbage play they're putting in night after night. If they were playing well and just coming out on the bottom by a goal or two over and over, then I could live with the idea that it's Stepan's scoring missing. But it's not that, it's a lot worse. Even guys who are in the same exact role as last year with the same exact supporting players, like Skjei for example, look lost from one period to the next. There are flashes or normal play and even good play around the roster in any given game but no consistency whatsoever. They look unprepared and confused about their system half the time. Looks like a team that's done with their coach. It happens. I just hope Gorton realizes soon.
 

TheKingPin

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Imo they're marginally worse in terms of roster change, not nearly enough to warrant the sort of garbage play they're putting in night after night. If they were playing well and just coming out on the bottom by a goal or two over and over, then I could live with the idea that it's Stepan's scoring missing. But it's not that, it's a lot worse. Even guys who are in the same exact role as last year with the same exact supporting players, like Skjei for example, look lost from one period to the next. There are flashes or normal play and even good play around the roster in any given game but no consistency whatsoever. They look unprepared and confused about their system half the time. Looks like a team that's done with their coach. It happens. I just hope Gorton realizes soon.

That does seem to be the coach. I'll have to catch a game. Strange though I thought AV was a good coach. I can't imagine in a market like NY and with their window, a poor coach last too long. The devils top 6 is underrated but look what their style of play has done for them. The rangers have more overall depth and a farrrrrr better D corp. Does he not take advantage of the D?
 

haveandare

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That does seem to be the coach. I'll have to catch a game. Strange though I thought AV was a good coach. I can't imagine in a market like NY and with their window, a poor coach last too long. The devils top 6 is underrated but look what their style of play has done for them. The rangers have more overall depth and a farrrrrr better D corp. Does he not take advantage of the D?
I think he's flawed but good overall. Coaches wear out their welcomes though, even good coaches.

Good example with the Devils. You could read more about the specific woes with AV on the NYR board, they're varied depending on who you talk to and what's important to them.

The man defense he plays has caused problems from the start and they're still there. The issues have traditionally been worse to start the season, though in some years past the offense came out insane and covered it up. In general though, it makes NYR's D easy to pull out of position, especially easy to lure behind the net, leaving the crease wide open. In terms of taking advantage of the D, let's just say he had Holden as McDonagh's partner last game. Holden, who was the 7D out of camp, was put on the first pairing in a game that they'd end up 1-5 if they lost. It's just madness - the pairs switch all the time, good players sit if they make single mistakes in attempts to push the play, bad players like Holden get long leashes and promotions.

On offense, the main issues Imo are his utter refusal to work on coaching a possession game, his inability to shift tactics if an opponent solves one, and his tendency to turtle with even the slimmest of leads. If NYR don't score off the rush, they have no plan B, they just keep trying the same thing over and over until time is up. If they get up by one goal even in a game where they've been out chanced terribly, they go into a shell and let the other team shoot at them until the game is over, often letting them tie and eventually win as NYR desperately try to go from laid back defense back to trying to score.

The team worked in spite of these problems for the most part, but it' just not working anymore. Like I said, every coach wears out their welcome eventually and he's worn his out pretty obviously imo.
 

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