Discussion in 'New York Rangers' started by The Crypto Guy, Apr 7, 2018.
Lol **** this guy
Appreciation thread? Are you kidding me? The teams that were successful won in spite of him. He had good veteran leadership with an elite goalie to get them to the playoffs and play deep. His defensive system is a complete disaster. His personnel management is idiotic. He is garbage.
I never liked the Torts for AV trade. I never loved AV style of hockey. I am not one of these that believe that he is an absolute incompetent. His own arrogance in what he believes he drew up as SHOULD be working is his own worst enemy. That and I believe that at points and time, a team needs to bring the fight to the other team. That and standing up for your teammates. Both are big no-no's to AV. As such, the team adopted that persona. And you get what you get.
His system can only work when working with top 2 or 3 goaltending. Not a miracle that his Vancouver tenure and NYR tenure looks very similar.
Tort's teams couldn't transition to save their lives but could cycle the puck. AV's teams could transition the puck but couldn't or wouldn't cycle.
I think to have sustained success against better teams, especially in the playoffs, you need to be able to do both.
Indeed, they are going to need it. Shame the Debbie's aren't hiring.
HAs any1 player or person in the actual NYR organization even appreciated him yet besides the faceless NYR twitter?
I appreciate he came in and saw this team had the talent to loosen the reigns a bit and focus on offense after Torts repeated insistence that the team wasn't talented enough to do anything except defend. I like the idea of working to create more high percentage scoring chances, and it's hard to not appreciate that he took this team to the first SCF in 2 decades and almost followed it up with another finals appearance.
He came in and succeeded for awhile and almost got the Rangers over the hump. For all the faults, those couple of years were pretty great.
13/14 and 14/15 were pretty exciting seasons, let's not deny it. Can't recall many people moaning about AV back then.. Now there's a queue to give the dead horse a final kick.
So long, and thanks for all the fish!
He had to go because he was no longer the right coach for this team but I also feel he doesn't deserve the amount of hate he is getting. I don't care for the Cup or bust mentality. Under AV we won a Presidents Trophy, reached the Cup final. I have a lot of great memories of the Rangers under AV. Those Cup runs mean more to me than the 1994 cup win to be honest because I was 9, living in Europe and didn't watch the games live. These more recent runs I actually lived through. Stayed up until 5 am at times, fighting against the biological clock. Going to bed when the sun comes up, unable to sleep because of the adrenaline rush of beating the Penguins in game 7.
AV didn't win a cup with us but he will still be one of the most successful coaches in franchise history. Kreider, Zuccarello, Miller, Brassard, Hayes, Buchnevich, Fast, Skjei, Talbot, Raanta, Stepan all became better players under AV. He deserves credit for that. He deserves criticism for a lot of other things as well, don't get me wrong. But at the end of the day the Rangers had one of the most successful 5-year spans in franchise history (just waiting for someone to point out our franchise is **** and this doesn't mean anything because of that).
I have fond memories of the last 5 years, but I'm happy he's gone because we need a new direction.
In fairness to Torts, the team that AV took to the Finals was MUCH more talented than any team that AV had.
Very good post. Thank you.
Not speaking for anyone else, but I can honestly say that I have never liked the style of play that his teams seem to have. That is not kicking a dead horse. There were many AV cheerleaders. I can appreciate what he did, but again world beating goaltending covered up a lot of warts.
This place has turned into a real hive mind eh?
Anyway, he was not my favorite coach, but he was brought here for end game, because Tort’s didn’t have the final gear he found in 2004.
It’s a shame we didn’t get to hoist the cup in 2014.
My main issue with the AV comments wasn’t that AV didn’t make mistakes.
It’s that most of issues with AV people harangued about really were just about the team.
At the start of the new era, the Ranger fans were blessed with 2 things: the salary cap and the King.
I mean the cap still didn’t prevent the MSG brass from never doing a true rebuild, but it limited how much they could **** the team up.
I mean the truth is this team never truly rebuilt. 2 years into the new era, Gomez + Drury. Constant roster turnover. Redden. NO home run drafts. Rick Nash couldn’t be what we needed him to be as the last piece.
The truth is the King has covered so many holes and carried this team so far despite many of the mediocre decisions made by thother franchise as a whole.
Yes the decisions from the 90s and Y2k were worse because the Rangers didn’t have the same financial handcuffs.
Again, good luck to AV. He will land somewhere. He’s not an all time great, but he was a good coach. He seemed to enjoy his time on Broadway, and he didn’t call out his players like a ***** in public. I’m certain he did those things face to face as a man and coach should.
But the truth is regardless of what the new internet stats say, most of the issues I’ve seen people angry with AV about were either issues that have been horrible for decades, or were actually just reflections of an aging and injured team who could no longer be whitewashed by the best goalie to wear the blue shirt between 7th and 8th.
I will say one thing...we were fast before the Penguins and the rest of the league got fast. We just made bad roster moves that made us slower and drained our pool.
It is far more than that. Roster moves are one thing, but being able to see the players for who they are and not who you want them to be is another. Most people's "systems" are adaptable.