~AHL level players who had a career year in the NHL.

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stephane morin played 48 games and scored 40 points in the '91 season, when the nords were actively tanking for lindros. he was in and out of the lineup all year, but he got back into the lineup for good at the end of the season, putting up an incredible six goals, 12 assists, 18 points in the last ten games. for reference, he "only" had eight goals, 14 assists, 22 points in 17 AHL games that season.

over a ten year pro career in the AHL, IHL, and german league, morin only played 32 other NHL games, potting three goals and putting up 15 points. he was dynamite on our farm team, the hamilton canucks. a fine line between perennial bad team scorer and a career minor league superstar.

Didn't Morin die in 1998 or so?


I checked. It says on Wiki he had chronic bronchitis and that he died of heart failure during a game in the DEL.

It's kind of hard to believe he was able to continue being a professional athlete while having such major health problems.

RIP.
 

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Didn't Morin die in 1998 or so?


I checked. It says on Wiki he had chronic bronchitis and that he died of heart failure during a game in the DEL.

It's kind of hard to believe he was able to continue being a professional athlete while having such major health problems.

RIP.

Thats terrible... I wonder how he contractted it
 

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stephane morin played 48 games and scored 40 points in the '91 season, when the nords were actively tanking for lindros. he was in and out of the lineup all year, but he got back into the lineup for good at the end of the season, putting up an incredible six goals, 12 assists, 18 points in the last ten games. for reference, he "only" had eight goals, 14 assists, 22 points in 17 AHL games that season.

over a ten year pro career in the AHL, IHL, and german league, morin only played 32 other NHL games, potting three goals and putting up 15 points. he was dynamite on our farm team, the hamilton canucks. a fine line between perennial bad team scorer and a career minor league superstar.

Stephane Morin:

Stéphane Morin - Wikipedia

reading about his death will explain. Such problems tend to be hereditary.
 
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Didn't Morin die in 1998 or so?


I checked. It says on Wiki he had chronic bronchitis and that he died of heart failure during a game in the DEL.

It's kind of hard to believe he was able to continue being a professional athlete while having such major health problems.

RIP.

That's absolutely crazy. Wow.
 

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Stephane Morin:

Stéphane Morin - Wikipedia

reading about his death will explain. Such problems tend to be hereditary.

Not Chronic Brochitis. Thats caused by inhaling toxic fumes. Now Im not a doctor so I dont know if you can develop heart problems through chronic bronchitis but one would think that elite training puts extra strain on the heart as a result of not being to breathe properly.
 
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Not Chronic Brochitis. Thats caused by inhaling toxic fumes. Now Im not a doctor so I dont know if you can develop heart problems through chronic bronchitis but one would think that elite training puts extra strain on the heart as a result of not being to breathe properly.

The enlarged heart, especially if enlarged inwards, is problematic and tends to be hereditary.

Stephane Moin was from the deep east end of Montreal, growing-up near the the oil and metal refineries before the strict emissions guidelines. People in that area have a greater incidence of COPD and bronchitis.
 
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The enlarged heart, especially if enlarged inwards, is problematic and tends to be hereditary.

Stephane Moin was from the deep east end of Montreal, growing-up near the the oil and metal refineries before the strict emissions guidelines. People in that area have a greater incidence of COPD and bronchitis.

Tragic no matter the circumstances.

Anyways I asked a friend who is working as a doctor and yes, COPD puts extra strain on the heart which can lead to these types of problems.
 
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absolutely nuts, just like cherepanov, that a pro athlete, with all the medical staff and fitness testing that go with the job, could have this condition and (i assume) no one caught or did anything about it.
 

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absolutely nuts, just like cherepanov, that a pro athlete, with all the medical staff and fitness testing that go with the job, could have this condition and (i assume) no one caught or did anything about it.

Well these heart problems can be very hard to detect when youre not actively looking for them. Had a friend who almost died but that was from an inflammation in the heart which was one of causes that Cherepanov is suspected of having. Those are rarely detected before collapse in young men.
 

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Well these heart problems can be very hard to detect when youre not actively looking for them. Had a friend who almost died but that was from an inflammation in the heart which was one of causes that Cherepanov is suspected of having. Those are rarely detected before collapse in young men.

i’m not a medical professional so i have no idea. i’m sure you’re right.

but my first assumption, at least in the hyper-privatized and litigious US context, was that insurance companies would be extremely thorough considering how large players’ policies can be and how much they have to put their bodies through.

morin’s last two teams before he went over to germany were both in the states.

but i guess at the same time i wouldn’t be surprised to hear that a player would hide his suspicions that something wasn’t right, if he indeed ever felt anything, to be able to keep playing.
 

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i’m not a medical professional so i have no idea. i’m sure you’re right.

but my first assumption, at least in the hyper-privatized and litigious US context, was that insurance companies would be extremely thorough considering how large players’ policies can be and how much they have to put their bodies through.

morin’s last two teams before he went over to germany were both in the states.

Sure but you can develop inflammation in the heart muscle after tests, theres even acute heart muscle inflammation.
 

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Medical technology advances and education since the Hank Gathers/Reggie Lewis tragedies have focused attention on the problem: Hank Gathers - Wikipedia

Still screening in Canadian junior leagues is poor, evidenced by the recent Mickey Renaud - Windsor, and Jordan Boyd - Acadie/Bathhurst, tragedies. Arena medical equipment is especially a concern.

David Carle a potential first round pick in 2008 was detected at the pre-draft combine:

David Carle Bio - University of Denver Official Athletic Site
 

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Darren Jensen was 15-9-1 in 1985-86 with the Flyers , winning the Jennings Trophy with Bob Froese. Jensen never appeared in another NHL game after that season.
 

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Behind one of NHL strongest defenses he wasnt exposed as much. He played good for a while which is the point of the thread but in the end his flaws were found out and he never adapted to it. The mark of a AHL level player.
Nope. Carey was a bit of a loaner, never integrated much with the team. His drive to succeed was already low when he was traded to Boston. The trade was the final straw as it really threw him. Imagine being a Vezina winner traded nine months later. He just didn’t chase the drive to succeed any more and it showed in his play. Jim Carey was absolutely an NHL level player.
 
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Duvie Westcott was AHL level player who was second in Blue Jackets' defenseman scoring during 2005-06 with 28 points and second in PIM after Jody Shelley with 133. After two years he was out of the league and finished his career in Europe.
 

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That's terrible... I wonder how he contracted it

There was also a previously undiagnosed heart attack that Stephane Morin suffered prior to the one that killed him at just 29. It's fair to wonder if he should have been cleared to even play. (Then again, were NHL organizations aware and that's why they refused to offer contracts?) The bronchitis was just the coup de grace. Really though, it took the Jiri Fischer incident to really get the NHL's attention.

Getting away from that, what about Steve Penney, who had a good 1984-85 season and then got hurt? When he got hurt, a 20-year old Patrick Roy was called up and ended up running with the starting job (on his way to being the first goalie to play 1,000 NHL games), and Penney never got his starting gig, or a regular NHL gig, back. Penney then bounced back between Sherbrooke (AHL) and Moncton (the latter after being traded to the Jets organization) before retiring at 27.
 

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Left Winger Niklas Andersson played mostly in the SHL during his career where he had his number retired by my hometown team, but he also had six to seven ppg seasons in the minors. During his career on the farm he also played a total of 165 games in the NHL, scoring 82 points. 74 of those games and 43 of those points came during a single season while the rest was dispersed over six other seasons.
Thing is that he was probably always the same, his limited offensive european style just not enough to stick in the big league. This though he did play in the 1991 Canada Cup, 1996 World Cup, and also won four medals at the World Championships.
 
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I know he played over 400 games but I sort of think of Kip Miller as an answer for this thread.

Didn't Jan Caloun have a 4 goal game and then, thinking the NHL was going to be easy, under train and never become much of anything?

Blaine Lacher.

Another guy who isn't a strict fit for this thread is Andreas Johansson. I recall him starting off really hot with the Senators one season, but he never really became more than a third liner on mediocre teams.
 

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Eric Boguniecki...more of an AHL size/strength deal than skill. Either way, not much of an NHLer. Scored 22 of his 34 career goals in 2002-03. Then he ended up on those expansion-level Penguins teams (probably some good candidates there...Andy Hilbert maybe...the first time we acquired a "winger for Sid") and washed out...Bogo had some vim and vinegar to his game though, he was tenacious little guy...

Eric Boguniecki Stats | Hockey-Reference.com

Rico Fata comes to mind. Scored 16 goals and 34 points in 73 games in 03/04. He actually played 157 more NHL games spread out between 1998 and 2007, but only scored 29 points in all those. He went to Europe eventually.

Steve Larouche counts in the 'brief call-up' category, 15 points in 18 games for Ottawa in 94/95..then two more very brief call-ups. Ended up being a very good player in the European leagues.
 
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Chris Kontos comes to mind as well. Hot season with Lightning but was never anything special in the NHL. Couldnt even get an AHL or top-league contract but had to settle for Div.1 in Sweden and IHL.

You are ignoring his solid play with the Los Angeles Kings before his time with Tampa Bay. Kontos got traded to the Kings during the 1987-88 season and put up 12 points in six games, including a six point game versus the Blackhawks, who he would victimize again in his first game with Tampa Bay. He spent the next season in Europe but came back and joined the Kings late in the years and then was on fire for them in the playoffs scoring nine goals in 12 post season games.
 

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Chris Kontos comes to mind as well. Hot season with Lightning but was never anything special in the NHL. Couldnt even get an AHL or top-league contract but had to settle for Div.1 in Sweden and IHL.

Replying to an old post, but it was not the case that Chris Kontos "couldn't even get an AHL contract [and] had to settle for the IHL". At the time IHL affiliates were often an NHL team's top one, preferred over the AHL; e.g. Kontos played for the Muskegon Lumberjacks in '87-'88 and Phoenix Roadrunners in '90-'91 because those were the Penguins and Kings' top affiliates. By the mid-'90s the IHL had expanded to bigger cities and had "big league" aspirations; many of the teams were independent and paid double the salaries AHL contracts did or more; that's why he played in Cincinnati, Quebec and Winnipeg in the mid-'90s.

He sporadically played in Europe because of contract disputes. He held out in '83 after his first season because he didn't make the Rangers' roster after training camp, refusing to be assigned to the Rangers' CHL affiliate in Tulsa and for good reason as the CHL Oilers were a mess behind the scenes. He was persuaded to report eventually, but the Oilers went bankrupt in February of '84 and infamously played the rest of the season on the road while the other CHL teams footed the bills to keep the schedule intact. (They won the championship too.) He held out at the beginning of the '85 season and played in Finland, was traded to the Penguins for Ron Duguay in '87, played about a year for them until he asked to be traded because he was sick of the limited ice time he was being given by the Penguins' coaching staff as mostly a PKer and face-off specialist whilst simultaneously being criticized for "not scoring enough".

When he was traded to the Kings in '88 he scored 1.5 ppg for their AHL affiliate and got a late-season call-up whereupon he scored at a 2 ppg pace (and assisted on both Jimmy Carson and Luc Robitaille's 50th goals of the season). At the beginning of the next year they wouldn't give him a solid NHL contract so he went and played in Switzerland, only persuaded to return by LA coach Robbie Ftorek toward the end of the year again. Same sort of thing happened: he went on a tear, scoring nine goals in 11 playoff games, but back in the minors to begin the next year. He stuck around as a "good little soldier" for a couple years in the minors before calling it quits with the Kings and playing with the Canadian national team instead.

He signed as a free agent with the Lightning, had a good year, got injured toward the end of it and felt he got a crappy contract offer from Phil Esposito (he was reputedly offered triple his '92-'93 salary of $150,000, but that was still less than league average) so he went back to the Canadian national team and played in the Olympics in '94.

He always felt like he was being jerked around by whichever NHL club he happened to be under contract with and was seemingly content to play elsewhere, often for better pay. You'll find that was the case with lots of guys who played in Europe and the IHL in the '90s.
 

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The first one I though about was Jim Carey who was never anything special. Had 9 shutouts in '96 which apparently was so special they had to give him the Vezina. Out of the league the season after basically.

This is inaccurate. Carey was definitely a solid goaltender. His issue was he lost his passion for the game.
 

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