Speculation: Acq/ Rost. Bldg./ Cap Part XXXV: Trotzyism in Action

[Langway]

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1701389

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[strungout]

How do you put a guy on LTIR when he's not injured??

Anyways....

Just for the record...and not that I think it'll matter too much...but Schmidt will be exempt from waivers...but Schilling will not (When they eventually sign their deals). Get Schilling to sign a two year one way at 700k or something reasonable.

I bring this up because I could see Schilling beating out Erskine in camp....and then the Caps just waiving Erskine and burying the cap hit in the minors. Leaving Schilling and Hillen as the extra D men.

So without any other moves...calling up Latta. Orlov and Wilson ready to go.

**** it. Put Wilson with 19 and 8 and see what happens.

FORWARDS
Alex Ovechkin ($9.538m) / Nicklas Backstrom ($6.700m) / Tom Wilson ($0.894m)
Evgeny Kuznetsov ($0.900m) / Marcus Johansson ($2.000m) / Troy Brouwer ($3.667m)
Jason Chimera ($2.000m) / Brooks Laich ($4.500m) / Joel Ward ($3.000m)
Jay Beagle ($0.900m) / Michael Latta ($0.575m) / Eric Fehr ($1.500m)
Aaron Volpatti ($0.575m)

DEFENSEMEN
Karl Alzner ($2.800m) / Matt Niskanen ($5.750m)
Brooks Orpik ($5.500m) / John Carlson ($3.967m)
Dmitry Orlov ($2.000m) / Mike Green ($6.083m)
Cameron Schilling ($0.700m) / Jack Hillen ($0.700m)

GOALTENDERS
Braden Holtby ($1.850m)
Justin Peters ($0.950m)

BURIED
John Erskine ($1.038m)

BONUS OVERAGE
$150,000
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,236,795; BONUSES: $2,325,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $763,205

 

[BrooklynCapsFan]

It's based on nothing, but in terms of icetime, I kind of expect Chimera-x-Ward to be the second line. If that x is Helm, I'd actually be pretty stoked about that happening.

 

[strungout]

You guys are getting my hopes up on this Detroit thing.

 

[strungout]

Mojo and Green for Helm, Kindl and some random prospect or a pick or something.

Kinda messes up that 2nd/3rd line with the whole Laich/Brouwer thing.

FORWARDS
Alex Ovechkin ($9.538m) / Nicklas Backstrom ($6.700m) / Tom Wilson ($0.894m)
Evgeny Kuznetsov ($0.900m) / Brooks Laich ($4.500m) / Troy Brouwer ($3.667m)
Jason Chimera ($2.000m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Joel Ward ($3.000m)
Jay Beagle ($0.900m) / Michael Latta ($0.575m) / Eric Fehr ($1.500m)
Aaron Volpatti ($0.575m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Karl Alzner ($2.800m) / Matt Niskanen ($5.750m)
Brooks Orpik ($5.500m) / John Carlson ($3.967m)
Jakub Kindl ($2.400m) / Dmitry Orlov ($2.000m)
Cameron Schilling ($0.700m) / Jack Hillen ($0.700m)

GOALTENDERS
Braden Holtby ($1.850m)
Justin Peters ($0.950m)

BURIED
John Erskine ($1.038m)

BONUS OVERAGE
$150,000
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,678,462; BONUSES: $2,325,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $4,321,538

 

[BrooklynCapsFan]

Mojo and Green for Helm, Kindl and some random prospect or a pick or something.

Kinda messes up that 2nd/3rd line with the whole Laich/Brouwer thing.

FORWARDS
Alex Ovechkin ($9.538m) / Nicklas Backstrom ($6.700m) / Tom Wilson ($0.894m)
Evgeny Kuznetsov ($0.900m) / Brooks Laich ($4.500m) / Troy Brouwer ($3.667m)
Jason Chimera ($2.000m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Joel Ward ($3.000m)
Jay Beagle ($0.900m) / Michael Latta ($0.575m) / Eric Fehr ($1.500m)
Aaron Volpatti ($0.575m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Karl Alzner ($2.800m) / Matt Niskanen ($5.750m)
Brooks Orpik ($5.500m) / John Carlson ($3.967m)
Jakub Kindl ($2.400m) / Dmitry Orlov ($2.000m)
Cameron Schilling ($0.700m) / Jack Hillen ($0.700m)

GOALTENDERS
Braden Holtby ($1.850m)
Justin Peters ($0.950m)

BURIED
John Erskine ($1.038m)

BONUS OVERAGE
$150,000
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,678,462; BONUSES: $2,325,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $4,321,538

That's a good looking lineup. And our special teams would make us dangerous.

 

[txpd]

Erskine played only 2 of the final 18 games or so and none of the final 15. he returned from an injury. played two games and they shut him down.

lets see if he passes his pre season physical. I bet he doesn't.

 

[strungout]

Erskine played only 2 of the final 18 games or so and none of the final 15. he returned from an injury. played two games and they shut him down.

lets see if he passes his pre season physical. I bet he doesn't.

Whatever. LTIR or buired in the minors...either way...I too think he's not going to be on the team next year. There are just too many other good D men in front of him with some kids prime to take his place.

But who knows....maybe he's a Trotz kinda guy.

 

[AlexBrovechkin8]

Someone please explain me to how trading MaJo + Green for Helm + Kindl makes us a better team. Green > Kindl and Johansson > Helm.

 

[Carlzner]

Mojo and Green for Helm, Kindl and some random prospect or a pick or something.

Kinda messes up that 2nd/3rd line with the whole Laich/Brouwer thing.

FORWARDS
Alex Ovechkin ($9.538m) / Nicklas Backstrom ($6.700m) / Tom Wilson ($0.894m)
Evgeny Kuznetsov ($0.900m) / Brooks Laich ($4.500m) / Troy Brouwer ($3.667m)
Jason Chimera ($2.000m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Joel Ward ($3.000m)
Jay Beagle ($0.900m) / Michael Latta ($0.575m) / Eric Fehr ($1.500m)
Aaron Volpatti ($0.575m) /

DEFENSEMEN
Karl Alzner ($2.800m) / Matt Niskanen ($5.750m)
Brooks Orpik ($5.500m) / John Carlson ($3.967m)
Jakub Kindl ($2.400m) / Dmitry Orlov ($2.000m)
Cameron Schilling ($0.700m) / Jack Hillen ($0.700m)

GOALTENDERS
Braden Holtby ($1.850m)
Justin Peters ($0.950m)

BURIED
John Erskine ($1.038m)

BONUS OVERAGE
$150,000
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $64,678,462; BONUSES: $2,325,000
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $4,321,538

That is a brutal trade for us. We downgrade with both players. Sure Helm is a good defensive 3rd line center but I think it's pretty obvious that Ward and Chimera will do fine with anyone between them.

And why exactly do we need to free up cap space anymore? There is nobody left worth signing.

 

[strungout]

Someone please explain me to how trading MaJo + Green for Helm + Kindl makes us a better team. Green > Kindl and Johansson > Helm.

For me....I think its more of a get players that make you better for the long haul for a player that could potentially leave after this season.

Helm is better than Mojo at being a bonafide NHL center. His PK'ing (top 30 center for Avg SH TOI) and his game fits better than what Mojo brings.

 

[txpd]

Helm. All the talk ive seen on this including among Detroit hockey media, none of it mentions Helm. Its Tatar and Nyquist and lesser prospects.

 

[Langway]

Helm would be way easier to get than Nyquist.

 

[Hivemind]

Helm would be way easier to get than Nyquist.

Because Nyquist is an dramatically better player, and he's going nowhere.

 

[BrooklynCapsFan]

Because Nyquist is an dramatically better player, and he's going nowhere.

But Barry Trotz has special skills with Swedish players. Holland will take that into consideration.

 

[Hivemind]

But Barry Trotz has special skills with Swedish players. Holland will take that into consideration.

The work Trotz did with ???? is legendary.

 

[AlexBrovechkin8]

For me....I think its more of a get players that make you better for the long haul for a player that could potentially leave after this season.

Helm is better than Mojo at being a bonafide NHL center. His PK'ing (top 30 center for Avg SH TOI) and his game fits better than what Mojo brings.

Green could probably return Helm + Kindl by himself. Not a chance you need to throw Johansson in.

Helm's game fits what better? Trotz's system? We have no idea what fit MaJo brings as a center because he's done it so rarely, and we certainly don't know how he'd look under Trotz. MJ90 also is very good on the PK and is effective on the PP. I think people here are ready to flush MaJo too quickly.

 

[BrooklynCapsFan]

Johansson was good on the PK 4 years ago. He's barely played there since then scaling gradually to a career low of 26 minutes last year.

 

[Liberati0n*]

The work Trotz did with ???? is legendary.

Green AND Johansson for Kindl and Helm is, value-wise, an absolutely horrible trade though. Johansson should have pretty decent trade value.

 

[Hivemind]

Hopefully they switch to a more aggressive/assertive PKing system. I think Johansson could really utilize his speed and reach in a system like that, as well.

 

[Langway]

Johansson's faceoff ability and overall physical play are huge question marks. We haven't seen him line up at center but there are significant questions in whether he would translate. As-is it would be very shaky. The same goes for Kuznetsov. It's why Laich at 2C seems like the default option for a coach like Trotz.

I'd think the Wings would part with Helm rather than Sheahan as far as their centers go so that should definitely be the starting point IMO. Helm & Tatar for Green would do it for me (and maybe even just Helm and some certain futures). No interest in Kindl at that cap hit. While Helm isn't a 2C he would be a PKing center capable of playing above the fourth line (it's not clear they have that anywhere in the system otherwise). Tatar was one of Detroit's better possession players last year and seems like more of a natural center than the "centers" the Caps like to reference as options. That would give them twelve quality forwards and perhaps more of a willingness to start Wilson in Hershey. It would enable Trotz to give out TOI and line assignments only as earned. Plus they'd have a good ~$3M or so to use as needed (or more if it's futures rather than Tatar). Perhaps that could also position them to trade for a legit 2C at some point involving futures and players either not thriving or thought to be suspect fits.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Johansson was good on the PK 4 years ago. He's barely played there since then scaling gradually to a career low of 26 minutes last year.

Wow...for a guy touted as a solid 2-way center pre-draft, terrible usage or terribly ineffective player this far into his career...not sure which.

 

[BrooklynCapsFan]

Something around Green for Helm and something around Johansson ++++ for Sharp would be fantastic.

FORWARDS
Alex Ovechkin ($9.538m) / Nicklas Backstrom ($6.700m) / Patrick Sharp ($5.900m)
Jason Chimera ($2.000m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Joel Ward ($3.000m)
Evgeny Kuznetsov ($0.900m) / Brooks Laich ($4.500m) / Troy Brouwer ($3.667m)
Eric Fehr ($1.500m) / Michael Latta ($0.575m) /Tom Wilson ($0.894m)
Jay Beagle ($0.900m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Karl Alzner ($2.800m) / Matt Niskanen ($5.750m)
Brooks Orpik ($5.500m) / John Carlson ($3.967m)
Dmitry Orlov ($2.000m) / Derek Morris ($1.000m)
Connor Carrick ($0.637m) / Jack Hillen ($0.700m)
GOALTENDERS
Braden Holtby ($1.850m)
Justin Peters ($0.950m)
BUYOUTS
Jeff Schultz ($0.000m)
BURIED
John Erskine ($1.038m)
BONUS OVERAGE
$150,000
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(estimations for 2014-15)
SALARY CAP: $69,000,000; CAP PAYROLL: $68,540,128; BONUSES: $2,471,667
CAP SPACE (23-man roster): $459,872

 

[Brian23]

Darren Helm is not a 2C. If we're targeting centers from Detroit, I'd rather go all in on someone like Zajac with Green and Mojo+. Or go all in with a lot of +++ for Henrique.

 

[Carlzner]

Wow...for a guy touted as a solid 2-way center pre-draft, terrible usage or terribly ineffective player this far into his career...not sure which.

So everything else that went wrong last season is Oates' fault except for this?